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I think the premise that men hate to shop is quite false. Men perceivably hate to shop because many men don't appreciate the art of looking beautiful and it's u

by Ixiaus 16y ago

I think the premise that men hate to shop is quite false. Men perceivably hate to shop because many men don't appreciate the art of looking beautiful and it's usually because our society doesn't instill that in men - we are instilled with this sense that women are fashionable and men don't have any fashion sense (which is bs). I actually really like to shop for clothes that make me look good but it has taken me a while to realize it and to realize that my style wasn't "unfashionable" it just needed some "guidance". And that, IMHO, is what you should be targeting - not the fact that men hate to shop but that most don't have the confidence to refine their own personal style... Geeks/men aren't slobs and we don't always hate to shop.

matthiaswh 16y ago
I hate to shop. And I'm a man. Just to add more context so this doesn't come across as quite so snarky: I'm only validating the OP's concept that men hate to shop and offering that as a counterpoint to Ixiaus's suggestion that "the premise that men hate to shop is quite false." I'm a man. I hate to shop. I know many others who do, and many who don't. The OP addressed that in his post quite well. In fact, I actually like looking good. I'm not a slob and I don't generally dress like one. The problem is that shopping is annoying. I don't have much fashion sense, I can't stand trying to pick a nice shirt out of hundreds of options with a half dozen variables each, and I never am able to tell what actually would look good on me. A tool that did all the math and picking for me would be great. It's almost like a replacement for a spouse or mom that does the shopping for me.
- sonja 16y ago
  Exactly. The goal of dress.me is to be a replacement for a spouse/mom/metro friend who is always available to help you with your purchases. Since I'm a woman, I understand this whole process pretty well. It's how I came up with dress.me--I was sick of helping out my significant other and guy friends when it came time to shop. With dress.me, they'll have the service they need whenever they want.
- rokhayakebe 16y ago
  You do not hate to shop. You hate the fact that you do not know how to decide what to pick.
sonja 16y ago
Right, not all men hate to shop. I actually mentioned that in my post. But for the guys who hate to shop (of which there are many), there's dress.me.
hlfshell 16y ago
I think that, regardless of the premise being true or not, there certainly seems to be a potential market for streamlining what's fashionable for men's fashion.
JoshTriplett 16y ago
"hate to shop" doesn't mean "slob". As a hacker (not going to speak for males here, and this applies to many female hackers too), I (and many other hackers I know) take an analytical and deconstructing attitude towards clothes: I care about comfort, and I care about meeting whatever expectation the people I care about making a good impression on want. Nothing else. Ideally, I would like all people in the latter category to stop caring about choices of clothing as a factor, but that won't happen any time soon, and meanwhile I choose to put up with the way the world works by acting accordingly to get the result I want. Ideally, I want to spend a minimal amount of effort achieving both of those goals, so I can spend time hacking on something useful. So, I'd welcome anything which helps me put less thought into the the myriad incompatible standards for "fit" and other factors that determine comfort, and less thought into the myriad unwritten rules that form the collective expectations of shallow people ("fashion").
- Ixiaus 16y ago
  I was an unfashionable geek for quite some time - I picked up salsa dancing it changed my entire perspective on outward appearance. I really grew to appreciate it, to appreciate the time people (and obviously women) put into grooming and dressing themselves in a manner that was unique to their own style but also attractive; an extension to that is enjoying the time it takes to find, select, and try on clothing for that purpose. It's like going to Fry's and shopping for components to build a new computer - why do you think most contemporary non-geeks say, often, that they "hate shopping for computer parts"? I would like all people in the latter category to stop caring about choices of clothing as a factor I'm surprised you would say that - you may begin to notice that humans aren't computers with predictable API's to interact with. Inter-human communication and interactions are largely driven by sexual (perceivable or not) and biological queues. Smart and attractive (if you can dress well and take care of your body, you will be attractive) is an extremely powerful combination because the ultimate fate of humanity rests in the hands of our intelligence and a lot of the world will acknowledge you for your intelligence but if you want to make a serious difference - putting yourself together in a way that many non-geeks can relate with is crucially important. Oh and clothing was never actually made to fit your particular body style - it's meant to be generic, you gotta get that stuff tailored! It's like custom fitting a computer for your needs, you have to do the same thing with your clothes, your body. I once had the outlook you do, why do people like "clean" and attractive people so much? Why don't they see my intelligence more? On and on and on...
jules 16y ago
A large part of it is that in geek circles (or male circles in general) it's fashionable to say that you don't like to shop. I didn't like it until I tried to enjoy it. It's not the best but it's fun once in a while.
- Ixiaus 16y ago
  It's that way for chick-geeks too. I get hit on a lot by women in the tech scene and they can never figure out why I ignore their sexual and IOI signals in favor of women that are a bit boppier, wear heels and g-strings most of the time, and are on the extreme side of femininity. Do I like intelligence? Greatly so, I get along really well with many women who are lawyers, doctors, &c... because those professions seem to attract really smart people that also like to be attractive when they go out casually. This is not typically the case for women and men in technology - it's actually refreshing to meet someone that is both a brilliant programmer/mathematician/engineer and cares about their outward presentation.
tempest995 16y ago
I'm not a slob, but I hate to shop. I tend towards a small number of brands specifically because I know if I buy them I'll be viewed as reasonably fashionable, and I know they're consistent enough that I don't need to try them on. It'd be great to have more options, but I really don't want to spend four hours trying on clothes in a mall to come up with alternatives.

by Ixiaus 16y ago

matthiaswh 16y ago

I hate to shop. And I'm a man. Just to add more context so this doesn't come across as quite so snarky: I'm only validating the OP's concept that men hate to shop and offering that as a counterpoint to Ixiaus's suggestion that "the premise that men hate to shop is quite false." I'm a man. I hate to shop. I know many others who do, and many who don't. The OP addressed that in his post quite well. In fact, I actually like looking good. I'm not a slob and I don't generally dress like one. The problem is that shopping is annoying. I don't have much fashion sense, I can't stand trying to pick a nice shirt out of hundreds of options with a half dozen variables each, and I never am able to tell what actually would look good on me. A tool that did all the math and picking for me would be great. It's almost like a replacement for a spouse or mom that does the shopping for me.

sonja 16y ago
Exactly. The goal of dress.me is to be a replacement for a spouse/mom/metro friend who is always available to help you with your purchases. Since I'm a woman, I understand this whole process pretty well. It's how I came up with dress.me--I was sick of helping out my significant other and guy friends when it came time to shop. With dress.me, they'll have the service they need whenever they want.
rokhayakebe 16y ago
You do not hate to shop. You hate the fact that you do not know how to decide what to pick.

sonja 16y ago

Right, not all men hate to shop. I actually mentioned that in my post. But for the guys who hate to shop (of which there are many), there's dress.me.

hlfshell 16y ago

I think that, regardless of the premise being true or not, there certainly seems to be a potential market for streamlining what's fashionable for men's fashion.

JoshTriplett 16y ago

"hate to shop" doesn't mean "slob". As a hacker (not going to speak for males here, and this applies to many female hackers too), I (and many other hackers I know) take an analytical and deconstructing attitude towards clothes: I care about comfort, and I care about meeting whatever expectation the people I care about making a good impression on want. Nothing else. Ideally, I would like all people in the latter category to stop caring about choices of clothing as a factor, but that won't happen any time soon, and meanwhile I choose to put up with the way the world works by acting accordingly to get the result I want. Ideally, I want to spend a minimal amount of effort achieving both of those goals, so I can spend time hacking on something useful. So, I'd welcome anything which helps me put less thought into the the myriad incompatible standards for "fit" and other factors that determine comfort, and less thought into the myriad unwritten rules that form the collective expectations of shallow people ("fashion").

Ixiaus 16y ago
I was an unfashionable geek for quite some time - I picked up salsa dancing it changed my entire perspective on outward appearance. I really grew to appreciate it, to appreciate the time people (and obviously women) put into grooming and dressing themselves in a manner that was unique to their own style but also attractive; an extension to that is enjoying the time it takes to find, select, and try on clothing for that purpose. It's like going to Fry's and shopping for components to build a new computer - why do you think most contemporary non-geeks say, often, that they "hate shopping for computer parts"? I would like all people in the latter category to stop caring about choices of clothing as a factor I'm surprised you would say that - you may begin to notice that humans aren't computers with predictable API's to interact with. Inter-human communication and interactions are largely driven by sexual (perceivable or not) and biological queues. Smart and attractive (if you can dress well and take care of your body, you will be attractive) is an extremely powerful combination because the ultimate fate of humanity rests in the hands of our intelligence and a lot of the world will acknowledge you for your intelligence but if you want to make a serious difference - putting yourself together in a way that many non-geeks can relate with is crucially important. Oh and clothing was never actually made to fit your particular body style - it's meant to be generic, you gotta get that stuff tailored! It's like custom fitting a computer for your needs, you have to do the same thing with your clothes, your body. I once had the outlook you do, why do people like "clean" and attractive people so much? Why don't they see my intelligence more? On and on and on...

jules 16y ago

A large part of it is that in geek circles (or male circles in general) it's fashionable to say that you don't like to shop. I didn't like it until I tried to enjoy it. It's not the best but it's fun once in a while.

Ixiaus 16y ago
It's that way for chick-geeks too. I get hit on a lot by women in the tech scene and they can never figure out why I ignore their sexual and IOI signals in favor of women that are a bit boppier, wear heels and g-strings most of the time, and are on the extreme side of femininity. Do I like intelligence? Greatly so, I get along really well with many women who are lawyers, doctors, &c... because those professions seem to attract really smart people that also like to be attractive when they go out casually. This is not typically the case for women and men in technology - it's actually refreshing to meet someone that is both a brilliant programmer/mathematician/engineer and cares about their outward presentation.

tempest995 16y ago

I'm not a slob, but I hate to shop. I tend towards a small number of brands specifically because I know if I buy them I'll be viewed as reasonably fashionable, and I know they're consistent enough that I don't need to try them on. It'd be great to have more options, but I really don't want to spend four hours trying on clothes in a mall to come up with alternatives.