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The only language that one can honestly say that is dying (if not already dead) is VisualBasic. Perl and Delphi are probably going to continue to decline. Obj

by blub 6y ago

The only language that one can honestly say that is dying (if not already dead) is VisualBasic. Perl and Delphi are probably going to continue to decline. Objective-C will be obsoleted by Swift some day, but is still relevant. Ruby's not too hot now, but far from dead AFAIK. Other than that it's nonsense to say that X is dying.

secondcoming 6y ago
C++ is being blamed for allowing people to write buggy, insecure programs. In my mind, that's different to just becoming unpopular; it's dying because it's too dangerous and too complicated. Sure, it'll stick around for some years yet but all those jobs will become maintenance jobs. Very little greenfield projects will elect to use it outside of niche areas (games and maybe embedded - UK salaries for embedded dev are terrible). Both C++ and Rust can use LLVM, so the generated code is likely to be the same. If you were starting a greenfield project today why would you choose to do it in C++? I forgot to mention Go too.
- krapht 6y ago
  My company starts new programs in C++ because everyone knows C++ already, we write modern C++, our libraries are written in C++, and our bugs are mostly not memory safety issues.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  In fact, essentially all new development in the highest-paid financial, HPC, CAE, telecomm, aerospace, and ML fields is pure C++. Rust is not a blip in any of them, and will not be for years to come. C is dead there (except in aerospace and telecomm), Go is nonexistent, and Java is mentioned on rare occasions. To suggest C++ usage is in decline is, objectively, nothing short of delusional. For Rust, C++ will the one to beat in ten and twenty years, provided not too many have already skipped onto some new hotness. Rust is an objectively better design than anything else that has arisen in 30+ years. That doesn't guarantee success. I used to hope a better language would displace C++, and for a time thought Rust might be it, but that better language turned out to be C++ itself. Nothing else is even on the horizon.
- mbrodersen 6y ago
  The world runs on C/C++ code. And new C++ projects are started every single day.
- bigjake 6y ago
  I would choose C++ because the tooling is superb, talent is widely available, it is performant, there are libraries for pretty much everything, and it's a great language. Oh and by the way, LLVM is 100% c++. Saying it is too dangerous and complicated is absurd. It is easy to write safe code in C++, having been doing it for almost 30 years. You are throwing around lots of assertions - challenge you to back them up with real data.

by blub 6y ago

secondcoming 6y ago

C++ is being blamed for allowing people to write buggy, insecure programs. In my mind, that's different to just becoming unpopular; it's dying because it's too dangerous and too complicated. Sure, it'll stick around for some years yet but all those jobs will become maintenance jobs. Very little greenfield projects will elect to use it outside of niche areas (games and maybe embedded - UK salaries for embedded dev are terrible). Both C++ and Rust can use LLVM, so the generated code is likely to be the same. If you were starting a greenfield project today why would you choose to do it in C++? I forgot to mention Go too.

krapht 6y ago
My company starts new programs in C++ because everyone knows C++ already, we write modern C++, our libraries are written in C++, and our bugs are mostly not memory safety issues.
ncmncm 6y ago
In fact, essentially all new development in the highest-paid financial, HPC, CAE, telecomm, aerospace, and ML fields is pure C++. Rust is not a blip in any of them, and will not be for years to come. C is dead there (except in aerospace and telecomm), Go is nonexistent, and Java is mentioned on rare occasions. To suggest C++ usage is in decline is, objectively, nothing short of delusional. For Rust, C++ will the one to beat in ten and twenty years, provided not too many have already skipped onto some new hotness. Rust is an objectively better design than anything else that has arisen in 30+ years. That doesn't guarantee success. I used to hope a better language would displace C++, and for a time thought Rust might be it, but that better language turned out to be C++ itself. Nothing else is even on the horizon.
mbrodersen 6y ago
The world runs on C/C++ code. And new C++ projects are started every single day.
bigjake 6y ago
I would choose C++ because the tooling is superb, talent is widely available, it is performant, there are libraries for pretty much everything, and it's a great language. Oh and by the way, LLVM is 100% c++. Saying it is too dangerous and complicated is absurd. It is easy to write safe code in C++, having been doing it for almost 30 years. You are throwing around lots of assertions - challenge you to back them up with real data.