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Yes, like dijit said, something modeled after the Screen Actors Guild. You rockstars get your million dollar salaries, no one gets overworked.

by Frondo 6y ago

jcims 6y ago
Great point. Guilds in general are a great way to reboot collective bargaining in the US. That thought occurred to me earlier this year and I completely forgot about it in this thread.
- newen 6y ago
  What's the difference between a union and a guild? Do Americans just have an aversion to the word union now?
  - thatguy0900 6y ago
    A guild is a collection of independent contractors, a union is typically your own employees. Also guild sounds way cooler.
    - nogabebop23 6y ago
      Guilds (I assume) involve more mead and iron working.
  - kn0where 6y ago
    Probably. See the “Seattle Police Officers Guild” which is definitely a union... police aren’t independent contractors, or craftspeople, etc.
  - Nasrudith 6y ago
    Classic definition wise guilds had a legal monopoly or regulation over a certain trade occupations including the quality and the maximium supply through control of pipelines of licensing and training. Historically they were a often a feudal "link" of control for administration. They meet with the head haberdasher to discuss carrots and sticks of taxation and licensing so they pay willingly and let them shout about unlicensed competitors instead of trying to chase down every last haberdasher to tax. Unions are more "if you piss off every affiliated habberdasher in the city they refuse to make hats until their demands are met".
- ghaff 6y ago
  Although as one anecdotal counterpoint, read about some of the experiences Mike Jittlov had making Wizard of Speed and Time. He is playing it for effect in the film but it is at least semi-autobiographical. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/31/movies/review-film-a-wizard-who-s-hexed-by-hollywood.html https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/31/movies/review-film-a-wiza... One of the liveliest things about ''The Wizard of Speed and Time,'' aside from the frantic Mr. Jittlov himself, is the film's animosity toward Hollywood in general and the movie unions in particular. Mr. Jittlov, who himself resigned from the Directors' Guild in order to make this film free of union requirements, includes a sequence in which he visits one union office after another, being told in each that he must play by expensive and archaic rules if he expects to play this game at all. When he tries to rent studio space, he is given a list of costs right down to the fee for a parking space, and winds up shooting in his own garage. And when he films an outdoor sequence in a park, a helicopter appears overhead with a loudspeaker to chastise him for trying to film without a permit. ''Maybe I shouldn't make films for a living,'' he muses dejectedly at one point. ''I've got a bicycle. I could deliver Steve's Pizzas.''

Yes, like dijit said, something modeled after the Screen Actors Guild. You rockstars get your million dollar salaries, no one gets overworked.

by Frondo 6y ago

Yes, like dijit said, something modeled after the Screen Actors Guild. You rockstars get your million dollar salaries, no one gets overworked.

jcims 6y ago

Great point. Guilds in general are a great way to reboot collective bargaining in the US. That thought occurred to me earlier this year and I completely forgot about it in this thread.

newen 6y ago
What's the difference between a union and a guild? Do Americans just have an aversion to the word union now?
- thatguy0900 6y ago
  A guild is a collection of independent contractors, a union is typically your own employees. Also guild sounds way cooler.
  - nogabebop23 6y ago
    Guilds (I assume) involve more mead and iron working.
- kn0where 6y ago
  Probably. See the “Seattle Police Officers Guild” which is definitely a union... police aren’t independent contractors, or craftspeople, etc.
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  Classic definition wise guilds had a legal monopoly or regulation over a certain trade occupations including the quality and the maximium supply through control of pipelines of licensing and training. Historically they were a often a feudal "link" of control for administration. They meet with the head haberdasher to discuss carrots and sticks of taxation and licensing so they pay willingly and let them shout about unlicensed competitors instead of trying to chase down every last haberdasher to tax. Unions are more "if you piss off every affiliated habberdasher in the city they refuse to make hats until their demands are met".
ghaff 6y ago
Although as one anecdotal counterpoint, read about some of the experiences Mike Jittlov had making Wizard of Speed and Time. He is playing it for effect in the film but it is at least semi-autobiographical. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/31/movies/review-film-a-wizard-who-s-hexed-by-hollywood.html https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/31/movies/review-film-a-wiza... One of the liveliest things about ''The Wizard of Speed and Time,'' aside from the frantic Mr. Jittlov himself, is the film's animosity toward Hollywood in general and the movie unions in particular. Mr. Jittlov, who himself resigned from the Directors' Guild in order to make this film free of union requirements, includes a sequence in which he visits one union office after another, being told in each that he must play by expensive and archaic rules if he expects to play this game at all. When he tries to rent studio space, he is given a list of costs right down to the fee for a parking space, and winds up shooting in his own garage. And when he films an outdoor sequence in a park, a helicopter appears overhead with a loudspeaker to chastise him for trying to film without a permit. ''Maybe I shouldn't make films for a living,'' he muses dejectedly at one point. ''I've got a bicycle. I could deliver Steve's Pizzas.''