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Sorry to be blunt but when you give unions power, this is the bullshit that comes from it
by sushshshsh 6y ago
Sorry to be blunt but when you give unions power, this is the bullshit that comes from it
- okintheory 6y agoNo. That's what's happening in some American unions (not all!), but it's not true in Denmark (for any union!), by the sound of it from the above post, in Sweden.
- piva00 6y agoUnions in Sweden (and Scandinavia, Germany) are powerful to defend workers interests, it doesn't mean that unions are requiring to have union-only jobs or trying to micromanage the workplace. The bullshit you are seeing is from your own bubble and worldview, don't make broad platitudes out of it, that is bullshit.
- beowulfey 6y agoWhy do you trust corporation-backed power (small amount of people in charge) versus union-backed power (power distributed across many people)? I find it fascinating, particularly in a country like America where democracy is a core part of our being. Unions allow people to vote on their own preferences, then use their collective voice to negotiate. If you don’t like some bullshit union practice, then that is the fault of the people in it not the unions themselves.
- sushshshsh 6y agoAsk any nurse, plumber, or teacher in the United States if they really feel they have the power to replace union reps that are perpetuating such practices. Power perpetuates power
- cool_dude85 6y agoNow ask any engineer in the US if they have the power to replace management that perpetuates bad practices.
- shaftoe 6y agoThey do. It's called finding another job.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoBirling: […] So I refused. Said I couldn't consider it. We were paying the usual rates and if they didn't like those rates, they could go and work somewhere else. It's a free country, I told them. Eric: It isn't if you can't go and work somewhere else. — J. B. Priestley Not everyone is in a position to find another job. And what do you do if the best place you can work is still rubbish? What if you're an ISP tech?
- mmm_grayons 6y agoOne is not forced to spend his life working as an ISP tech. I attended a community college for a few years where most people were learning new skills precisely because they didn't like the job or often the industry in which they worked. If ISP tech work was horrible and everyone left, employers would be forced to make it less horrible.
- mushbino 6y agoAn ISP tech? Just learn to code and then bounce from job to job to job until you find one with a good manager. Okay, sarcasm aside; I've worked for many different tech companies and good managers are exceptionally rare and there is no pressure from the top to change that, and pressure from the bottom doesn't work. There is, however, a lot of pressure to not fire or demote managers as it looks bad for the management above them.
- cool_dude85 6y agoWell, you were able to solve the problem of bad union reps at the same time. Two birds with one stone, good job.
- take_a_breath 6y agoPeople in unions can’t find other jobs?
- adamsea 6y agoTrue! So, better governing systems for a union, no? You can’t get rid of power, just redistribute it. As flawed as democracy is, that’s what it attempts to do. Or do we want to get rid of governments? ;) In that case I’ll happily make the same snarky comment about whatever collection of humans accrue and then abuse power in our new government-free society. People are naturally social. There will always be power, wielded in one way or another. But we have and will figure out schemes to wield it in a to benefit the many more than the few.