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Often, things that seem to not make sense are the result of historical practices at that workplace or others. In a situation like the comment describes, usually
by cool_dude85 6y ago
Often, things that seem to not make sense are the result of historical practices at that workplace or others. In a situation like the comment describes, usually it's at a partially unionized workplace.
If you don't have these kinds of things in the contract, what can sometimes happen is a situation where all the "monitor movers" are unionized, but then management hires a new "screen transporter" for $10 an hour who isn't in the union.
- mcv 6y agoIn Netherland, unions negotiate with employers, generally with the government also at the table, to agree on workplace conditions and pay scales that apply to the whole industry, and not just the union members. The employer gains nothing by hiring a non-union member, and besides, a non-union member can always join the union if they want to.
- piva00 6y agoThe same system is used in most of Scandinavia, the union-government-employer tripod where the government acts as a facilitator and the union and employers negotiate a collective agreement.
- ethbro 6y agoI read a study on international power polarities, and they noted that truly independent tripolar was among the most stable configurations from a game theory perspective. Broadly summarizing, the potential for the remaining tie-breaker to defect to either side tends to keep participants honest, even if they're bitterly opposed.
- elliekelly 6y agoAny chance you have the link to the study? That sounds really interesting. Maybe even worth a post of its own on HN?
- pnutjam 6y agoAfter thousands of online games of RISK, I concur. Often you find yourself in a situation where nobody can win, but anyone can choose who wins if they commit to losing. Unfortunately, it's rare all three participants realize the situation.
- cool_dude85 6y agoGiven political realities in the US, I would hold out more hopes for the revolution coming than for nationwide sectoral bargaining.
- koheripbal 6y agooh good... a THIRD organization of bureaucracy. What could go wrong?
- mcv 6y agoIt works surprisingly well. A decade or two ago this was widely praised as the "polder" system: instead of going on strike and firing people all the time, you talk it out and find a solution that works for everybody. Everybody involved has an interest in a good solution.
- mattmcknight 6y agoI think a lot of people worry about these pay scales being limiting. In the US, they tend to end up being based on years of service or credentials, rather than about productivity or quality.
- mcv 6y agoIn Netherland they tend to be based on your function, and within that function, how well you perform it. Companies tend to want the best people in the most important functions. If you think you're performing the function of a higher paid role, that's a good argument to ask for a raise. Or a promotion.