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You thinking 4chan is "alt-right" and they have a consensus is just as ridiculous as facebook boomer/media reactions to CHAZ and it being Mad Max style postapoc

You thinking 4chan is "alt-right" and they have a consensus is just as ridiculous as facebook boomer/media reactions to CHAZ and it being Mad Max style postapocalyptic.

at_a_remove 6y ago
4chan sort of has a consensus in that it is contrarian by default. If the right was in power (Congress, media, and so forth), they would be left. The contrarian stance extends within itself in a fractal manner, so of course you have people inside objecting to that. However, the image I cannot stop smiling at is an elongated figure with an FBI cap, glowing green and using a stick to poke at a small ball with the 4chan logo, with the speech bubble "C'mon, do domestic terrorism."
- milquetoastaf 6y ago
  This makes no sense. The Right IS in power, they control the senate, the white house, and the majority of states. Yet 4chan is as alt-right and anti-left as ever (ESPECIALLY /k/ which you think would be in full favor of CHAZ)
- bena 6y ago
  People often mistake "having their own opinion" and "free thinking" with "being in opposition to the mainstream". A strict contrarian viewpoint is just as conformist as a strict mainstream opinion, it allows someone else to define your opinion. So I don't think it's as fractal as you imagine. I think what you might be seeing are those with general principles rejecting the contrarian view because the contrarian view is counter to their principles. Let's say I like chocolate. But the mainstream opinion is chocolate sucks. Currently, I'm a contrarian. I'm against the mainstream opinion. I get on certain boards and rail against how chocolate is disliked by the masses and how they're missing out. Then, the tide shifts and chocolate becomes popular. A portion of my compatriots who claimed to like chocolate, now say it sucks. Because that's the contrarian opinion now. And I say they're missing out because I still like chocolate. Because I like it for reasons other than mainstream opinion of it. So, while not changing my stance at all, I've gone from contrarian, to mainstream, to complaining about the contrarian stance.
- plokiju21 6y ago
  > If the right was in power (Congress, media, and so forth), they would be left. How much power does the right need before they're considered "in power"? They controlled both branches of congress and the presidency until 2018, and have a majority on the supreme court. Fox news is the most popular media platform, and have tremendous (but not full) control over the mainstream narrative. This as "in control" as a single party gets in the US.
  - at_a_remove 6y ago
    You have left out a word perhaps I should have included in all caps: MEDIA.
    - asdff 6y ago
      Whose media is the question. A bit under half of the votes went to Donald Trump 2016, and I bet few in this demographic are listening to NPR just like few who voted for Clinton are watching Hannity. There is this narrative among the right that the vast majority of media is left leaning, but given the numbers and viewership of conservative voices on cable news, talk radio, the internet, and the fact that nearly half the voting block of this country consumes this media and votes R, I don't buy the argument. A lot of the supposedly leftist major media articles I encounter read as firmly centrist or even center right to me at least.
      - at_a_remove 6y ago
        On the other hand, you've got CNN's Donna Brazile leaking debate questions and topics to Clinton's staff ahead of the debate. I'm at work so I don't have it on hand, but someone made a really amazing chart of the various relationships between Obama's staff and CNN's staff. I would have thought it was the work of a kook until I began to look up randomly selected relationships to verify them. Aside from the LPFM repeater stations, largely used for religious broadcasting, I would say that the radio market has been completely captured by the left. When it comes to the right, they have Fox for television networks and that's all.
virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
4chan certainly doesn't have a consensus, but it sure does have some reliable patterns

You thinking 4chan is "alt-right" and they have a consensus is just as ridiculous as facebook boomer/media reactions to CHAZ and it being Mad Max style postapocalyptic.

at_a_remove 6y ago

4chan sort of has a consensus in that it is contrarian by default. If the right was in power (Congress, media, and so forth), they would be left. The contrarian stance extends within itself in a fractal manner, so of course you have people inside objecting to that. However, the image I cannot stop smiling at is an elongated figure with an FBI cap, glowing green and using a stick to poke at a small ball with the 4chan logo, with the speech bubble "C'mon, do domestic terrorism."

milquetoastaf 6y ago
This makes no sense. The Right IS in power, they control the senate, the white house, and the majority of states. Yet 4chan is as alt-right and anti-left as ever (ESPECIALLY /k/ which you think would be in full favor of CHAZ)
bena 6y ago
People often mistake "having their own opinion" and "free thinking" with "being in opposition to the mainstream". A strict contrarian viewpoint is just as conformist as a strict mainstream opinion, it allows someone else to define your opinion. So I don't think it's as fractal as you imagine. I think what you might be seeing are those with general principles rejecting the contrarian view because the contrarian view is counter to their principles. Let's say I like chocolate. But the mainstream opinion is chocolate sucks. Currently, I'm a contrarian. I'm against the mainstream opinion. I get on certain boards and rail against how chocolate is disliked by the masses and how they're missing out. Then, the tide shifts and chocolate becomes popular. A portion of my compatriots who claimed to like chocolate, now say it sucks. Because that's the contrarian opinion now. And I say they're missing out because I still like chocolate. Because I like it for reasons other than mainstream opinion of it. So, while not changing my stance at all, I've gone from contrarian, to mainstream, to complaining about the contrarian stance.
plokiju21 6y ago
> If the right was in power (Congress, media, and so forth), they would be left. How much power does the right need before they're considered "in power"? They controlled both branches of congress and the presidency until 2018, and have a majority on the supreme court. Fox news is the most popular media platform, and have tremendous (but not full) control over the mainstream narrative. This as "in control" as a single party gets in the US.
- at_a_remove 6y ago
  You have left out a word perhaps I should have included in all caps: MEDIA.
  - asdff 6y ago
    Whose media is the question. A bit under half of the votes went to Donald Trump 2016, and I bet few in this demographic are listening to NPR just like few who voted for Clinton are watching Hannity. There is this narrative among the right that the vast majority of media is left leaning, but given the numbers and viewership of conservative voices on cable news, talk radio, the internet, and the fact that nearly half the voting block of this country consumes this media and votes R, I don't buy the argument. A lot of the supposedly leftist major media articles I encounter read as firmly centrist or even center right to me at least.
    - at_a_remove 6y ago
      On the other hand, you've got CNN's Donna Brazile leaking debate questions and topics to Clinton's staff ahead of the debate. I'm at work so I don't have it on hand, but someone made a really amazing chart of the various relationships between Obama's staff and CNN's staff. I would have thought it was the work of a kook until I began to look up randomly selected relationships to verify them. Aside from the LPFM repeater stations, largely used for religious broadcasting, I would say that the radio market has been completely captured by the left. When it comes to the right, they have Fox for television networks and that's all.

virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago

4chan certainly doesn't have a consensus, but it sure does have some reliable patterns