The bare Java is not very fine as I see after comparing it with more concise languages, like Clojure. The enterprise Java conventions are even worse, like a co

The bare Java is not very fine as I see after comparing it with more concise languages, like Clojure. The enterprise Java conventions are even worse, like a convention for mandatory getters/ setter. Good framework in a good language can save a lot of work even for a big complex application.