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Trying to 'cure' gay people and recruit them into a religious organization and culture is not as offensive to me as the practice of a central big-brother type a

by maeon3 16y ago

Trying to 'cure' gay people and recruit them into a religious organization and culture is not as offensive to me as the practice of a central big-brother type authorizing and deleting programs on a computer that I own. If we don't fight this sort of thing one day we will wake up and all computers will be like cable TV. you can choose between high-quality stimulating channels, or "paths", but try to do something yourself, and you need millions of dollars to penetrate the red tape and get your application presented to more than a few people.

grammaton 16y ago
>Trying to 'cure' gay people and recruit them into a religious organization and culture is not as offensive to me as the practice of a central big-brother type authorizing and deleting programs on a computer that I own. You have some really screwed up priorities.
- zdw 16y ago
  So, you'd prefer a coercive, invasive system to limit what you can and can't see and do, vs having available for download someone's religious opinions? Like it or not, this app falls directly under free speech protection. No one is forcing you to install it and peruse it's content, and if someone does they're the one at fault. This isn't the Westboro Baptist Church showing up at a funeral and harassing people against their will. Free society == people are allowed to say things you don't particularly like.
  - joebadmo 16y ago
    This is actually why the complaints about the quality and questionable taste/propriety of the Android ecosystem actually sort of make me feel good about it. When I see questionable decisions being made, I know that the freedom to make those questionable decisions exists.
    - maeon3 16y ago
      I don't want my eyes to see anything offensive when I turn on my computer. I want only pure wholesome things, things that won't upset me or cause any unpleasant idea or thought to cascade through my mind. I don't want to hear about anybody picketing funerals, nobody should be trying to cure gay people. If something offends some people, I want to make sure that not only I don't see it, but everyone on the planet can't see it. If everyone want an idea to go away, like Galileo's idiotic Sun-centric model, then it must be destroyed. Censor the apps. The will of the majority must be carried out!
  - grammaton 16y ago
    Congratulations, first off, for responding to an argument I didn't even make. Kudos on your strawman. >Trying to 'cure' gay people and recruit them into a religious organization and culture >having available for download someone's religious opinions You do realize that these are two completely different things, right? You do know this, yes? Sorry, but a group of bigots who want to "cure" people because they don't like their sexual orientation is a lot worse than Apple corporate coming up with a policy you don't like. By your own argument, you don't like what they're doing, don't buy an iPhone. In the worst case scenarios, Apple becomes a restrictive company and no one wants to buy their products anymore, vs. a group of bigots gains enough traction to incite hatred and violence against a minority group. Guess which one of these is worse? If you really think someone diddling the apps on your iphone is on the same plane as a hate group, you need to sit down and do some serious thinking for a long, long time.
oemera 16y ago
So basically you want to say that we should fight against censoring BUT not against gay-hatred? Man I can't believe your priorities. First rule should ALWAYS be: human rights.
- bmelton 16y ago
  Freedom of expression is a human right.
- gte910h 16y ago
  He's saying asking for censorship of an idea you do not agree with is not the right way to go. Use other attitudes to attack the app. Honestly, attacking the app any other number of ways that DIDN'T get it press would have been much more effective. It would have disappeared into the void of a quarter million apps.
- rick888 16y ago
  Why aren't we fighting against religious-hated as well? Both are acts of free speech. I should be able to hate anyone I want to hate and I shouldn't be censored because it hurts someone's feelings.
bmelton 16y ago
Don't know why you're getting downvoted ... actually, that isn't true, I DO know why you're getting downvoted, but it's wrong, so I got you back to a positive number. For those downvoting who disagree -- particularly those claiming his priorities are screwed up, the obvious question to you is whether or not disagreeing with somebody is cause for downvotes.
- brk 16y ago
  I downvoted him because I found the content of his post to be non-informative and boderline trollbaitish. His priorities don't seem to be as in tune with reality as what I would normally expect here, but that wasn't the explicit reason for my downvote.
  - bmelton 16y ago
    Differing opinions and priorities are the primary reason that the world doesn't act in unison. It is the basis for differing political parties, ideals and religions. While most people agree that rights are important, it is each individual's experiences that determines which items are prioritized in their mind. Education is important. Health care is important. Civil liberties are important. Freedom of expression is important. Ask any number of different people which is the most important, and you're likely to get any number of different answers.

by maeon3 16y ago

grammaton 16y ago

>Trying to 'cure' gay people and recruit them into a religious organization and culture is not as offensive to me as the practice of a central big-brother type authorizing and deleting programs on a computer that I own. You have some really screwed up priorities.

zdw 16y ago
So, you'd prefer a coercive, invasive system to limit what you can and can't see and do, vs having available for download someone's religious opinions? Like it or not, this app falls directly under free speech protection. No one is forcing you to install it and peruse it's content, and if someone does they're the one at fault. This isn't the Westboro Baptist Church showing up at a funeral and harassing people against their will. Free society == people are allowed to say things you don't particularly like.
- joebadmo 16y ago
  This is actually why the complaints about the quality and questionable taste/propriety of the Android ecosystem actually sort of make me feel good about it. When I see questionable decisions being made, I know that the freedom to make those questionable decisions exists.
  - maeon3 16y ago
    I don't want my eyes to see anything offensive when I turn on my computer. I want only pure wholesome things, things that won't upset me or cause any unpleasant idea or thought to cascade through my mind. I don't want to hear about anybody picketing funerals, nobody should be trying to cure gay people. If something offends some people, I want to make sure that not only I don't see it, but everyone on the planet can't see it. If everyone want an idea to go away, like Galileo's idiotic Sun-centric model, then it must be destroyed. Censor the apps. The will of the majority must be carried out!
- grammaton 16y ago
  Congratulations, first off, for responding to an argument I didn't even make. Kudos on your strawman. >Trying to 'cure' gay people and recruit them into a religious organization and culture >having available for download someone's religious opinions You do realize that these are two completely different things, right? You do know this, yes? Sorry, but a group of bigots who want to "cure" people because they don't like their sexual orientation is a lot worse than Apple corporate coming up with a policy you don't like. By your own argument, you don't like what they're doing, don't buy an iPhone. In the worst case scenarios, Apple becomes a restrictive company and no one wants to buy their products anymore, vs. a group of bigots gains enough traction to incite hatred and violence against a minority group. Guess which one of these is worse? If you really think someone diddling the apps on your iphone is on the same plane as a hate group, you need to sit down and do some serious thinking for a long, long time.

oemera 16y ago

So basically you want to say that we should fight against censoring BUT not against gay-hatred? Man I can't believe your priorities. First rule should ALWAYS be: human rights.

bmelton 16y ago
Freedom of expression is a human right.
gte910h 16y ago
He's saying asking for censorship of an idea you do not agree with is not the right way to go. Use other attitudes to attack the app. Honestly, attacking the app any other number of ways that DIDN'T get it press would have been much more effective. It would have disappeared into the void of a quarter million apps.
rick888 16y ago
Why aren't we fighting against religious-hated as well? Both are acts of free speech. I should be able to hate anyone I want to hate and I shouldn't be censored because it hurts someone's feelings.

bmelton 16y ago

Don't know why you're getting downvoted ... actually, that isn't true, I DO know why you're getting downvoted, but it's wrong, so I got you back to a positive number. For those downvoting who disagree -- particularly those claiming his priorities are screwed up, the obvious question to you is whether or not disagreeing with somebody is cause for downvotes.

brk 16y ago
I downvoted him because I found the content of his post to be non-informative and boderline trollbaitish. His priorities don't seem to be as in tune with reality as what I would normally expect here, but that wasn't the explicit reason for my downvote.
- bmelton 16y ago
  Differing opinions and priorities are the primary reason that the world doesn't act in unison. It is the basis for differing political parties, ideals and religions. While most people agree that rights are important, it is each individual's experiences that determines which items are prioritized in their mind. Education is important. Health care is important. Civil liberties are important. Freedom of expression is important. Ask any number of different people which is the most important, and you're likely to get any number of different answers.