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I can't imagine US being all that significant. Biden, Trump and various members of both camps command more than enough attention through their own Twitter acco

I can't imagine US being all that significant. Biden, Trump and various members of both camps command more than enough attention through their own Twitter accounts. Likewise pushing political agendas is largely superfluous given you can just lobby politicians directly without needed public support.

guug 6y ago
You're not considering foreign operations. If included, I bet the US would be at the forefront.
- killjoywashere 6y ago
  If the US is conducting psy-ops on social media against adversaries, wouldn't they use media companies popular in that country? And, if that were Twitter, wouldn't the language barrier still make it relatively harder for Twitter (a company staffed predominantly by English-speaking employees) to investigate? Additionally, does it merit discriminating between offensive and defensive psy-ops? Might there, for example, be government-controled bots injecting wholesomememes content into the feeds of depressed government employees? Does Twitter have a different obligation in that context?
  - yorwba 6y ago
    > wouldn't the language barrier still make it relatively harder for Twitter (a company staffed predominantly by English-speaking employees) to investigate That doesn't seem to have stopped them from banning accounts posting in Chinese. > government-controled bots injecting wholesomememes content into the feeds of depressed government employees That would still be "coordinated inauthentic behavior".
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Luckily the censorship game in the US is strong, but not that strong. I read a book about propaganda written by someone who wrote it for the US in WW2, and he was able to explicitly state (a chapter or two in) that he only gave examples of axis propaganda in the book because his side's were classified, but to remember that everyone did the same things. (he did leave for a footnote that for examples of pornographic propaganda one would have to visit archives at an address in Washington DC; guess that'd be the 1950's talking)
adrr 6y ago
There’s fake ones like the @antifa_us account that was run by a white nationalist organization. It was promoting violence against white neighborhoods and was amplified by the Trump campaign and conservative media.
- NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  It has been verified by reputable media that twitter handle @antifa_us was a fake antifa poster organized by white nationalist group Evropa ([1],[2]). It's impressive there has been so much false action that is immediately discovered during this time. In the small towns around the Seattle area there have been multiple false claims of antifa planned attacks, leading to lots of people pulling out their guns. Here's one where someone visiting from out of town took pics of kids walking around and made wild accusations that they were 'outsiders' who were threatening - yet he was the outsider who was making up threats. [3] 1. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was... 2. https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/06/01/antifa_us/ https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/06/01/antifa_... 3. https://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/how-a-man-from-california-caused-a-false-antifa-scare-in-north-bend/ https://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/how-a-man-from-califor...
  - crowdglass 6y ago
    > It has been verified by reputable media There is no reputable media. Very few news sources are not hyper-partisan. There is no credible evidence linking the account to Evropa. Also none linking it to Antifa. We won't know until law enforcement does their jobs and collects evidence. Assuming they aren't defunded first. Also, "White Nationalist" is just another word for "Republican" in lefty Newspeak. Black intellectuals are constantly smeared as neo-nazis and white nationalists. The Latino that jumped out of his car with a gun to chase down alleged carjackers was called a "known white supremacist" (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270057853412204554 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270057853412204554).

guug 6y ago

You're not considering foreign operations. If included, I bet the US would be at the forefront.

killjoywashere 6y ago
If the US is conducting psy-ops on social media against adversaries, wouldn't they use media companies popular in that country? And, if that were Twitter, wouldn't the language barrier still make it relatively harder for Twitter (a company staffed predominantly by English-speaking employees) to investigate? Additionally, does it merit discriminating between offensive and defensive psy-ops? Might there, for example, be government-controled bots injecting wholesomememes content into the feeds of depressed government employees? Does Twitter have a different obligation in that context?
- yorwba 6y ago
  > wouldn't the language barrier still make it relatively harder for Twitter (a company staffed predominantly by English-speaking employees) to investigate That doesn't seem to have stopped them from banning accounts posting in Chinese. > government-controled bots injecting wholesomememes content into the feeds of depressed government employees That would still be "coordinated inauthentic behavior".
082349872349872 6y ago
Luckily the censorship game in the US is strong, but not that strong. I read a book about propaganda written by someone who wrote it for the US in WW2, and he was able to explicitly state (a chapter or two in) that he only gave examples of axis propaganda in the book because his side's were classified, but to remember that everyone did the same things. (he did leave for a footnote that for examples of pornographic propaganda one would have to visit archives at an address in Washington DC; guess that'd be the 1950's talking)

adrr 6y ago

There’s fake ones like the @antifa_us account that was run by a white nationalist organization. It was promoting violence against white neighborhoods and was amplified by the Trump campaign and conservative media.

NotSammyHagar 6y ago
It has been verified by reputable media that twitter handle @antifa_us was a fake antifa poster organized by white nationalist group Evropa ([1],[2]). It's impressive there has been so much false action that is immediately discovered during this time. In the small towns around the Seattle area there have been multiple false claims of antifa planned attacks, leading to lots of people pulling out their guns. Here's one where someone visiting from out of town took pics of kids walking around and made wild accusations that they were 'outsiders' who were threatening - yet he was the outsider who was making up threats. [3] 1. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was... 2. https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/06/01/antifa_us/ https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/06/01/antifa_... 3. https://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/how-a-man-from-california-caused-a-false-antifa-scare-in-north-bend/ https://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/how-a-man-from-califor...
- crowdglass 6y ago
  > It has been verified by reputable media There is no reputable media. Very few news sources are not hyper-partisan. There is no credible evidence linking the account to Evropa. Also none linking it to Antifa. We won't know until law enforcement does their jobs and collects evidence. Assuming they aren't defunded first. Also, "White Nationalist" is just another word for "Republican" in lefty Newspeak. Black intellectuals are constantly smeared as neo-nazis and white nationalists. The Latino that jumped out of his car with a gun to chase down alleged carjackers was called a "known white supremacist" (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270057853412204554 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270057853412204554).