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> The media coverage of it is WILD Yep. I live three blocks south of CHAZ and it's so overblown. Conservative family from the east-coast have told me they're v

by dag11 6y ago

> The media coverage of it is WILD Yep. I live three blocks south of CHAZ and it's so overblown. Conservative family from the east-coast have told me they're very worried for me, and I check fox news and see images from "Seattle" of parking lots of cars on fire. Those images were from Minneapolis last month, not even from Seattle. As another nearby commenter said, last week when the police were here gassing us, throwing loud bombs at protestors at 1am, and having 24/7 helicopters directly overhead, it was hard to sleep. We could feel the gas blocks away. Ever since the police vacated the precinct and "CHAZ" started, things have been so peaceful and safe in this community.

11thEarlOfMar 6y ago
On the right, I am seeing: - It's called Antifastan - Warlord Raz is prone to violent outbursts, and is an AirBnb Superhost. - There are open carries with automatic rifles. They get the most respect. - Laughing out loud at an attempt to create a vegetable garden. Didn't appear promising. - Laughing harder at a cry for 'please send vegan meats and soy products, the homeless took all the food!' My thinking is, the truth is much more clearly painted in this forum than on either side of the mainstream media. I do consider them the enemy of the people for dividing us, pitting us against each other, and creating an oppression of fear. So they can sell more clicks.
- cylinder 6y ago
  they're just supremely bored, hateful, paranoid people with literally nothing to do but read outright fraudulent "news" reports, never critically thinking about it but just riding dopamine hits.
  - fsckboy 6y ago
    just so I can calibrate the scale of all those descriptors, could you give a list of descriptors you would use for yourself and how you spend your time? does your brain not regulate with dopamine?
- alasdair_ 6y ago
  > either side of the mainstream media The “mainstream media” has exactly one side: whatever generates the most money. Thus: wall to wall coverage of a couple of peaceful blocks without police and almost no mention of the $500 Billion that their advertisers recently looted from the American public.
- ftio 6y ago
  To see this in action, check out this crappy prototype I built: https://spin.report/ https://spin.report/ Makes it easy to see how different outlets are doing their best to earn those ad dollars with different strategies (horizontal rows) and to see how their strategies are evolving over time (columns).
  - joerickard 6y ago
    Cool site. Thanks for making/sharing. It would be cool to see your timeline with a site like https://freespoke.com/?q=Capitol%20Hill%20Autonomous%20Zone&bias=&factuality=0.4&tags=&perPage=40 https://freespoke.com/?q=Capitol%20Hill%20Autonomous%20Zone&...
- latencyloser 6y ago
  Those are not automatic rifles, they're very likely all semi-automatic. Semi-automatic rifles can look the same as automatic rifles, visual appearance doesn't mean much. Automatic rifles in the US are much, much more difficult and expensive to acquire than one would think--tens of thousands of dollars usually vs ~$500 for a semi-automatic variant. Sorry if that seems pedantic, but the media uses the understandably easy confusion between the two to misrepresent issues around gun rights a lot.
  - wing-_-nuts 6y ago
    The whole 'fully automatic rifle' is such a nothing burger anyway. M4s and M16s aren't controllable on fully automatic at anything over 10m. Watch modern combat footage of any trained unit, and I guarantee you'll see them using semi auto. My point? Semi auto AR-15s are every bit as effective and deadly as their fully automatic military counterparts. Whether civilians should have such weapons is another discussion.
    - craftinator 6y ago
      To add to this, having had quite of bit of firearms experience both semi and auto, the real limiting factors are, as mentioned, controllability and ammo. With a 30 round mag and a cyclic rate of 700 rounds per minute (AR-15 mods run 700-1000 RPM), you get a little over 2 seconds of trigger time. That assumes you don't experience a jam, which is very likely with an AR-15 variant modified for automatic fire, and because of the weight distribution and recoil deflection, you won't hit anything you aim at after the second round leaves the chamber. So, if they are packing fully auto AR-15 mods, I'd be wayyyyy less concerned than if they were using semi automatic.
      - umvi 6y ago
        > I'd be wayyyyy less concerned than if they were using semi automatic. In general, yes. To play devil's advocate though, accuracy/controllability is not really needed if your goal is just to spray as much lead as possible into a densely crowded area from, say, a hotel room above. Such domestic terrorist events are extremely rare, but I would guess in these specific cases where the goal is to spray as many bullets per second as possible into a crowd, full auto + large magazine is going to kill more people than semi auto.
- undersuit 6y ago
  I hate the laughter at the vegetable garden. Oh lets mock people for planting what could be food where it used to a a useless piece of turf. We shouldn't be mocking them we should be following their example across the country.
  - bowmessage 6y ago
    It wasn't a useless piece of turf, it was a park that the residents of the neighborhood, myself included, used to be able to enjoy. Now we can't, because hundreds are camping on the area. I am all for their cause, but I feel like the methodology of 'camping in a park' is not the right way to enact civic change at a policy level.
    - undersuit 6y ago
      So if the whataboutism of sleeping in the park were removed we could have a discussion about sharing the use of the park?
    - freeone3000 6y ago
      You can't go to the park, because it's too crowded, because people are gathering there to enact change. I'm sorry, I simply disagree as to the role of public space in a free society -- them occupying the park is the LEAST objectionable thing about this.
      - bowmessage 6y ago
        How is occupying the park enacting change? I thought the meetings with the mayor were excellent, but via this avenue, all they are doing is changing the park. There's a whole city out there where cops still operate under the same laws they have for many years. Protesters should try and change _that_, imho.
        CydeWeys 6y ago
        That's exactly what the protesters are fighting for. Protests are almost by definition inconvenient to some people.
- ubertaco 6y ago
  > - Warlord Raz is prone to violent outbursts, and is an AirBnb Superhost That sounds like a phrase from a novelty D&D campaign or some form of parody. What an odd year it's been.
alasdair_ 6y ago
I live less than half an hour’s journey away but seemingly most of the people on my neighborhood facebook pages believe Fox News’ reporting more than their own neighbors photographs and videos. They refuse to even drive over there to see what is going on, so certain they are that they are right.
hkai 6y ago
What you're saying is fair, but also imagine that's how conservatives felt for years. The left-leaning media outlets appear to be wildly exaggerating things they want to exaggerate, just as Fox News does on their side. Not sure if examples are needed.

by dag11 6y ago

11thEarlOfMar 6y ago

On the right, I am seeing: - It's called Antifastan - Warlord Raz is prone to violent outbursts, and is an AirBnb Superhost. - There are open carries with automatic rifles. They get the most respect. - Laughing out loud at an attempt to create a vegetable garden. Didn't appear promising. - Laughing harder at a cry for 'please send vegan meats and soy products, the homeless took all the food!' My thinking is, the truth is much more clearly painted in this forum than on either side of the mainstream media. I do consider them the enemy of the people for dividing us, pitting us against each other, and creating an oppression of fear. So they can sell more clicks.

cylinder 6y ago
they're just supremely bored, hateful, paranoid people with literally nothing to do but read outright fraudulent "news" reports, never critically thinking about it but just riding dopamine hits.
- fsckboy 6y ago
  just so I can calibrate the scale of all those descriptors, could you give a list of descriptors you would use for yourself and how you spend your time? does your brain not regulate with dopamine?
alasdair_ 6y ago
> either side of the mainstream media The “mainstream media” has exactly one side: whatever generates the most money. Thus: wall to wall coverage of a couple of peaceful blocks without police and almost no mention of the $500 Billion that their advertisers recently looted from the American public.
ftio 6y ago
To see this in action, check out this crappy prototype I built: https://spin.report/ https://spin.report/ Makes it easy to see how different outlets are doing their best to earn those ad dollars with different strategies (horizontal rows) and to see how their strategies are evolving over time (columns).
- joerickard 6y ago
  Cool site. Thanks for making/sharing. It would be cool to see your timeline with a site like https://freespoke.com/?q=Capitol%20Hill%20Autonomous%20Zone&bias=&factuality=0.4&tags=&perPage=40 https://freespoke.com/?q=Capitol%20Hill%20Autonomous%20Zone&...
latencyloser 6y ago
Those are not automatic rifles, they're very likely all semi-automatic. Semi-automatic rifles can look the same as automatic rifles, visual appearance doesn't mean much. Automatic rifles in the US are much, much more difficult and expensive to acquire than one would think--tens of thousands of dollars usually vs ~$500 for a semi-automatic variant. Sorry if that seems pedantic, but the media uses the understandably easy confusion between the two to misrepresent issues around gun rights a lot.
- wing-_-nuts 6y ago
  The whole 'fully automatic rifle' is such a nothing burger anyway. M4s and M16s aren't controllable on fully automatic at anything over 10m. Watch modern combat footage of any trained unit, and I guarantee you'll see them using semi auto. My point? Semi auto AR-15s are every bit as effective and deadly as their fully automatic military counterparts. Whether civilians should have such weapons is another discussion.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    To add to this, having had quite of bit of firearms experience both semi and auto, the real limiting factors are, as mentioned, controllability and ammo. With a 30 round mag and a cyclic rate of 700 rounds per minute (AR-15 mods run 700-1000 RPM), you get a little over 2 seconds of trigger time. That assumes you don't experience a jam, which is very likely with an AR-15 variant modified for automatic fire, and because of the weight distribution and recoil deflection, you won't hit anything you aim at after the second round leaves the chamber. So, if they are packing fully auto AR-15 mods, I'd be wayyyyy less concerned than if they were using semi automatic.
    - umvi 6y ago
      > I'd be wayyyyy less concerned than if they were using semi automatic. In general, yes. To play devil's advocate though, accuracy/controllability is not really needed if your goal is just to spray as much lead as possible into a densely crowded area from, say, a hotel room above. Such domestic terrorist events are extremely rare, but I would guess in these specific cases where the goal is to spray as many bullets per second as possible into a crowd, full auto + large magazine is going to kill more people than semi auto.
undersuit 6y ago
I hate the laughter at the vegetable garden. Oh lets mock people for planting what could be food where it used to a a useless piece of turf. We shouldn't be mocking them we should be following their example across the country.
- bowmessage 6y ago
  It wasn't a useless piece of turf, it was a park that the residents of the neighborhood, myself included, used to be able to enjoy. Now we can't, because hundreds are camping on the area. I am all for their cause, but I feel like the methodology of 'camping in a park' is not the right way to enact civic change at a policy level.
  - undersuit 6y ago
    So if the whataboutism of sleeping in the park were removed we could have a discussion about sharing the use of the park?
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    You can't go to the park, because it's too crowded, because people are gathering there to enact change. I'm sorry, I simply disagree as to the role of public space in a free society -- them occupying the park is the LEAST objectionable thing about this.
    - bowmessage 6y ago
      How is occupying the park enacting change? I thought the meetings with the mayor were excellent, but via this avenue, all they are doing is changing the park. There's a whole city out there where cops still operate under the same laws they have for many years. Protesters should try and change _that_, imho.
      - CydeWeys 6y ago
        That's exactly what the protesters are fighting for. Protests are almost by definition inconvenient to some people.
ubertaco 6y ago
> - Warlord Raz is prone to violent outbursts, and is an AirBnb Superhost That sounds like a phrase from a novelty D&D campaign or some form of parody. What an odd year it's been.

alasdair_ 6y ago

I live less than half an hour’s journey away but seemingly most of the people on my neighborhood facebook pages believe Fox News’ reporting more than their own neighbors photographs and videos. They refuse to even drive over there to see what is going on, so certain they are that they are right.

hkai 6y ago

What you're saying is fair, but also imagine that's how conservatives felt for years. The left-leaning media outlets appear to be wildly exaggerating things they want to exaggerate, just as Fox News does on their side. Not sure if examples are needed.