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I thought it's well known that the government hired moderators are for propaganda purpose, right?

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
Exactly, my question essentially is, why do you think the CCP needs propaganda? Because if many people thought they were good and supported them they could win on merit alone, not propaganda.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  I don't think you need to convince me that Chinese government have inherent flaws. And you might be wrongly thinking I am one of those supporting Chinese government and CCP here. You can see my other reply above to see more explanation of my position.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    After viewing your other reply, I do not believe you are supporting the CCP, but I also disagree with your stance. I believe we should stand up against dictatorships and challenge them even when we have ties to them. Being able to say anything and challenge anything is the foundation of freedom, ANY form of censorship threatens that. People in the U.S. appreciate being able to call out their government leaders I'm sure. Imagine if you were hauled off at night because of what you posted online. We should all be standing with Hongkongers on this one. tldr: the answer to government censorship is not more censorship of phrases ("五毛”) that call them out
- baddox 6y ago
  What government doesn’t use propaganda?
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    Well, the article is about the discovered government propaganda by mainly the CCP. If you have other reports about services finding bots that shilled government propaganda from other state actors you're welcome to share them. I certainly don't like the mainstream media in the US and I do believe they peddle domestic propaganda, that doesn't mean we divulge in whataboutism and distract from this specific article we are all discussing though, definitely not without specific evidence or events.
ghj 6y ago
Random question: what's the word for propaganda in chinese? I am also chinese but can only speak with poor vocab. Google translating it yields 宣传, which is a word that I do know but it means something more like "publicity" which loses all the negative connotation of the word propaganda. I just want to make sure it's not a common mistranslation and that people aren't talking past each other. One side is saying the government is actively lying in order to manipulate people. And the other side might be interpreting as the government working on their public image... which is uh a lot more reasonable when put that way. Funny how language shape the way we think.
- qwename 6y ago
  I tried translating with Baidu and it comes up with "宣传" and "鼓吹". The latter seems more appropriate for propaganda that puts something in a positive light, but doesn't apply to other types of propaganda. So I think a good translation would have to depend on the context.
- yorwba 6y ago
  It also works the other way around: Chinese organizations with 宣传 in their name will frequently translate it as "propaganda", apparently unaware of the negative connotation it has taken on in English due to the association with "enemy propaganda". When the Chinese government accuses someone of "actively lying in order to manipulate people", they tend to call it 谣言, i.e. "rumors".

Exactly, my question essentially is, why do you think the CCP needs propaganda? Because if many people thought they were good and supported them they could win on merit alone, not propaganda.

justicezyx 6y ago
I don't think you need to convince me that Chinese government have inherent flaws. And you might be wrongly thinking I am one of those supporting Chinese government and CCP here. You can see my other reply above to see more explanation of my position.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  After viewing your other reply, I do not believe you are supporting the CCP, but I also disagree with your stance. I believe we should stand up against dictatorships and challenge them even when we have ties to them. Being able to say anything and challenge anything is the foundation of freedom, ANY form of censorship threatens that. People in the U.S. appreciate being able to call out their government leaders I'm sure. Imagine if you were hauled off at night because of what you posted online. We should all be standing with Hongkongers on this one. tldr: the answer to government censorship is not more censorship of phrases ("五毛”) that call them out
baddox 6y ago
What government doesn’t use propaganda?
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  Well, the article is about the discovered government propaganda by mainly the CCP. If you have other reports about services finding bots that shilled government propaganda from other state actors you're welcome to share them. I certainly don't like the mainstream media in the US and I do believe they peddle domestic propaganda, that doesn't mean we divulge in whataboutism and distract from this specific article we are all discussing though, definitely not without specific evidence or events.

ghj 6y ago

Random question: what's the word for propaganda in chinese? I am also chinese but can only speak with poor vocab. Google translating it yields 宣传, which is a word that I do know but it means something more like "publicity" which loses all the negative connotation of the word propaganda. I just want to make sure it's not a common mistranslation and that people aren't talking past each other. One side is saying the government is actively lying in order to manipulate people. And the other side might be interpreting as the government working on their public image... which is uh a lot more reasonable when put that way. Funny how language shape the way we think.

qwename 6y ago
I tried translating with Baidu and it comes up with "宣传" and "鼓吹". The latter seems more appropriate for propaganda that puts something in a positive light, but doesn't apply to other types of propaganda. So I think a good translation would have to depend on the context.
yorwba 6y ago
It also works the other way around: Chinese organizations with 宣传 in their name will frequently translate it as "propaganda", apparently unaware of the negative connotation it has taken on in English due to the association with "enemy propaganda". When the Chinese government accuses someone of "actively lying in order to manipulate people", they tend to call it 谣言, i.e. "rumors".