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Actually, to be pedantic, citizens of the United States are indeed citizens of the state in which they reside, according to the 14th Amendment: > All persons b

Actually, to be pedantic, citizens of the United States are indeed citizens of the state in which they reside, according to the 14th Amendment: > All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

beervirus 6y ago
That's... a good point. Still, it sounds weird to say that you're a citizen of Oklahoma or whatever. Resident is what most people would call it.
- vikramkr 6y ago
  In our federal system though, its crucial to make sure people have the right to vote in the states they live. It was even more crucial in the context if the era that the 14th amendment was written in, where states as independent nations willingly participating in the Union with the ability to opt out for whatever reason (slavery) was just put to the test and resolved. At that time, state identity was so strong that people like General Lee saw themselves as Virginians first, Americans second, which led him to fight for the confederacy. Its still an incredibly important distinction and concept today, just having been resolved so thoroughly by now it seems almost weird to think the way the people that wrote that amendment thought. We say the United states is now, but there was a time when we said these united states are instead.
boplicity 6y ago
There is actually an incredibly important distinction here that many politicians actually care a lot about; there are many people who are residents with full rights (and responsibilities) who are not citizens; it is important to be aware of these people when referring to the population as a whole. The term "citizen" does not include these people. The term constituents is commonly used, at least in the political sphere; it covers the broad range of people with legal rights within a jurisdiction.
- cjhveal 6y ago
  As a non-citizen resident, I definitely understand the distinction, though I am also not a member of any constituency in the U.S. so it would be pretty strange to call me a constituent. I also see the point that it is in fact more accurate to use the term "resident," even if not for the reasons that the GP posted, as the rights under the CCPA are afforded to all residents of California.

beervirus 6y ago

That's... a good point. Still, it sounds weird to say that you're a citizen of Oklahoma or whatever. Resident is what most people would call it.

vikramkr 6y ago
In our federal system though, its crucial to make sure people have the right to vote in the states they live. It was even more crucial in the context if the era that the 14th amendment was written in, where states as independent nations willingly participating in the Union with the ability to opt out for whatever reason (slavery) was just put to the test and resolved. At that time, state identity was so strong that people like General Lee saw themselves as Virginians first, Americans second, which led him to fight for the confederacy. Its still an incredibly important distinction and concept today, just having been resolved so thoroughly by now it seems almost weird to think the way the people that wrote that amendment thought. We say the United states is now, but there was a time when we said these united states are instead.

boplicity 6y ago

There is actually an incredibly important distinction here that many politicians actually care a lot about; there are many people who are residents with full rights (and responsibilities) who are not citizens; it is important to be aware of these people when referring to the population as a whole. The term "citizen" does not include these people. The term constituents is commonly used, at least in the political sphere; it covers the broad range of people with legal rights within a jurisdiction.

cjhveal 6y ago
As a non-citizen resident, I definitely understand the distinction, though I am also not a member of any constituency in the U.S. so it would be pretty strange to call me a constituent. I also see the point that it is in fact more accurate to use the term "resident," even if not for the reasons that the GP posted, as the rights under the CCPA are afforded to all residents of California.