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Doesn't ignoring headers and taking someones site down fall afoul of the CFAA? Especially given how comments here are showing that this is a recurring issue? De

Doesn't ignoring headers and taking someones site down fall afoul of the CFAA? Especially given how comments here are showing that this is a recurring issue? Depending on which side of the fence you're on, there could be standing to go after FB for this either for money, or for their lawyers to help set a precedent to limit CFAA further.

meritt 6y ago
No. The owner needs send Facebook a cease and desist and block their IPs in order to revoke authorization under the CFAA, and then Facebook would need to continue accessing his website despite explicitly being told not to. That's the precedent set by Craigslist v. 3Taps. Whether or not the above even holds today (hiQ Labs v. LinkedIn argues it does not) remains to be decided in a current appeal to the Supreme Court.
yupyup54133 6y ago
When someone does this to Facebook its malicious and they go to jail. WHen Facebook does it to someone else... "oops".
- yupyup54133 6y ago
  Never forget Aaron Swartz. All he did was send download requests to JSTOR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vz06QO3UkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vz06QO3UkQ
  - gregf 6y ago
    I'm going to get a ton of hate for this, but he was doing it with the intent to redistribute the content for free. He didn't own the content. There's a big difference. That being said it's very sad what came about of that. I really don't think the FBI needed to be involved.
    - yupyup54133 6y ago
      > he was doing it with the intent to redistribute the content for free There is actually no proof of this.
      - gknoy 6y ago
        Really? I felt that what happened to Aaron was a tragic injustice on many levels (from the fact that he was charged at all to the number of charges they threw at him), but for some reason I had always thought that it was fairly well-known that that was his intent. I have no idea where I got that impression from, but I do recall reading several articles about him, as well as his blog around that time. It's possible I just internalized others' assumptions about his behavior, but it certainly seemed like an in-character thing for him to to.
        yupyup54133 6y ago
        IIRC, he had published a manifesto about how he believed that information that was paid for with public funds should be free for the public to view. However, I don't believe that he ever mentioned why he was making get requests to JSTOR's servers and I know that he never uploaded any of those JSTOR documents to the internet for public download.
        WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
        Yeah, but any decent criminal lawyer could tear "he once wrote a manifesto" to shreds. His political beliefs would only be pertinent if he wrote the manifesto somehow in connection with what he was doing; otherwise, it would not be sufficient to show intent to distribute.
        throwaway2048 6y ago
        Criminal law is about proving things, not in-charachter assumptions.
        6y ago
- occamrazor 6y ago
  From the point of view of the law, the intent (malicious or benevolent) is often as important as the action itself.
  - yupyup54133 6y ago
    Nah, it only matters if you are a large corporation or not. If you are a large corporation you will ruin your opponent financial with legal fees (whether they are guilty or not). If you are a small timer going up against a large corporation they will delay the court case until you can not afford the legal fees.
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    The always-classic "what color are your bits?" https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23

meritt 6y ago

No. The owner needs send Facebook a cease and desist and block their IPs in order to revoke authorization under the CFAA, and then Facebook would need to continue accessing his website despite explicitly being told not to. That's the precedent set by Craigslist v. 3Taps. Whether or not the above even holds today (hiQ Labs v. LinkedIn argues it does not) remains to be decided in a current appeal to the Supreme Court.

yupyup54133 6y ago

When someone does this to Facebook its malicious and they go to jail. WHen Facebook does it to someone else... "oops".

yupyup54133 6y ago
Never forget Aaron Swartz. All he did was send download requests to JSTOR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vz06QO3UkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vz06QO3UkQ
- gregf 6y ago
  I'm going to get a ton of hate for this, but he was doing it with the intent to redistribute the content for free. He didn't own the content. There's a big difference. That being said it's very sad what came about of that. I really don't think the FBI needed to be involved.
  - yupyup54133 6y ago
    > he was doing it with the intent to redistribute the content for free There is actually no proof of this.
    - gknoy 6y ago
      Really? I felt that what happened to Aaron was a tragic injustice on many levels (from the fact that he was charged at all to the number of charges they threw at him), but for some reason I had always thought that it was fairly well-known that that was his intent. I have no idea where I got that impression from, but I do recall reading several articles about him, as well as his blog around that time. It's possible I just internalized others' assumptions about his behavior, but it certainly seemed like an in-character thing for him to to.
      - yupyup54133 6y ago
        IIRC, he had published a manifesto about how he believed that information that was paid for with public funds should be free for the public to view. However, I don't believe that he ever mentioned why he was making get requests to JSTOR's servers and I know that he never uploaded any of those JSTOR documents to the internet for public download.
        WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
        Yeah, but any decent criminal lawyer could tear "he once wrote a manifesto" to shreds. His political beliefs would only be pertinent if he wrote the manifesto somehow in connection with what he was doing; otherwise, it would not be sufficient to show intent to distribute.
      - throwaway2048 6y ago
        Criminal law is about proving things, not in-charachter assumptions.
        6y ago
occamrazor 6y ago
From the point of view of the law, the intent (malicious or benevolent) is often as important as the action itself.
- yupyup54133 6y ago
  Nah, it only matters if you are a large corporation or not. If you are a large corporation you will ruin your opponent financial with legal fees (whether they are guilty or not). If you are a small timer going up against a large corporation they will delay the court case until you can not afford the legal fees.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  The always-classic "what color are your bits?" https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23