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> what are some examples of an oppressed minority race becoming racial oppressors while still being subordinate in the power structure? If minority is a requir

by effie 6y ago

> what are some examples of an oppressed minority race becoming racial oppressors while still being subordinate in the power structure? If minority is a requirement, then some examples are: 1) Jewish Nazi collaborators killing Jews, 2) Black gangsters killing black people 3) black/latin-american SJW agents manipulating authorities for more discrimination and cancelling of their white enemies. > How are they able to oppress with little political and economic power to do the oppression? In cases 1),3) by having elevated power granted and supported by even more powerful groups. In case 2) they are organized violent people with guns - they have substantial power.

eesmith 6y ago
[I haven't repeated this disclaimer recently enough. "Race" is a sociological construct with no biological meaning.] 1) Apartheid South Africa gave special status to Japanese people - honorary whites. This doesn't mean that the Japanese people could control their own status; it was a special status given to them by the white supremacists who wanted Japanese trade deals. Similarly, your 1) is for people were granted special privileges by the racist Christian Germans because of the services rendered for the racist power structure. But the racist power originated from those Christian Germans, not Jewish Germans. So, great, you've discovered that some black slaves avoided whippings by helping their white slave masters keep the other slaves in line. With as much sarcasm as I can muster: If only those black slaves hadn't been so racist. 2) How is this racism, any more than white gangsters killing white people? So if a black business owner shortchanges a black customer, that's also racism? 3) Are you effing kidding me? Everyone who is outraged at, angry with, or otherwise against the police violence against black people is an SJW. I am an SJW. 60% of Americans believe that ’Racism is built into American society. The assumption of white superiority pervades schools, business, housing, and government.’ according to a recent Yahoo News/YouGov poll. 52% agree that "President Trump is a racist." The majority of Americans are SJWs. If you are not outraged .. why not? Drop the nonsensical "SJW" rhetorical label. Demand social justice and equality. Now, back to 3) By "example" I don't mean some abstract story. Because I remember the lying stories Republicans used about black welfare queens in order to harness good old American racism to shrink our social safety net. "Agents"? How sinister! You know you could have left it as "SJWs", right? Your terms have been so over-used by right-wing extremists that they have acquired new meanings. Your "more discrimination" comes across like those people who insist that "feminism" means not "gender equality in the public sphere" but wrongly that "women should be in charge, and men should be hated." While your "cancelling" bring to mind all those people who think "cancel culture" means "no one expressing bigoted ideas should ever have to face consequences."
- effie 6y ago
  I provided an answer to your question. I did not claim those are examples of minority race being racist. Such examples can be found as well, if we change the target group to be a different race. Nazi Germany (whose population became oppressed minority in Europe after being defeated in WW I) was becoming more racist towards most of the European nations south and east of them (majority) - including Slavic nations, Romas and others. More recent example, after WW II, Israeli settlers (most of which are Jews, an historically oppressed minority) became racist towards Palestinians (majority). > Everyone who is outraged at, angry with, or otherwise against the police violence against black people is an SJW. That's another misunderstanding of terms on your part. Almost everybody who saw that video and other police transgressions since then was disgusted by those policemen actions and are against such police brutality. That includes many racists, bigots, right-wingers, libertarians, traditional left, progressives and others not so easily categorizable political agents. That does not make them SJW's. "Social Justice Warrior" now has a very specific pejorative and derogative meaning: a vocal activist pushing and fighting for ideology of political correctness, for positive discrimination, favouritism of people of minority groups, limiting freedom of expression by policing words and inventing and enforcing new words, and generally using any means available, including racist or bigoted or factually incorrect or logically flawed arguments about race, power, history or biology. They are very attention-seeking and uppity. They care more about winning rhetorical arguments and political battles than about being right and fair. People who really care about society and people of all races/groups having their fair part in society are very different from that. They do not try to annoy, divide or cancel people of other groups, they do not push ideology, instead they try to work with those people towards common goals.
  - eesmith 6y ago
    My question was about 'oppressed minority race becoming racial oppressors still being subordinate in the power structure' not a few members of said race becoming racial oppressors. Once a country has weapons and can defend itself, its citizens are not really subordinate in the power structure, is it? When you write "against such police brutality", what does "such" refer to? Because most of the people I've seen/heard on the topic are specifically against racist police brutality. (And they aren't arguing that police brutality against whites should increase.) Where's the long list of white people killed by police brutality that matches what we've seen on video for black people? > now has a very specific pejorative and derogative meaning Based on my observation, its most common meaning is simply a derogatory term for progressive. Are NASCAR officials SJWs by banning the traitor's flag at their events? Are they "politically correct"? ... or simply "correct"? You do know that "uppity" is traditionally used as a way to put down women and blacks who supposedly didn't know that they were supposed to be lower in the social hierarchy, right?

by effie 6y ago

eesmith 6y ago

[I haven't repeated this disclaimer recently enough. "Race" is a sociological construct with no biological meaning.] 1) Apartheid South Africa gave special status to Japanese people - honorary whites. This doesn't mean that the Japanese people could control their own status; it was a special status given to them by the white supremacists who wanted Japanese trade deals. Similarly, your 1) is for people were granted special privileges by the racist Christian Germans because of the services rendered for the racist power structure. But the racist power originated from those Christian Germans, not Jewish Germans. So, great, you've discovered that some black slaves avoided whippings by helping their white slave masters keep the other slaves in line. With as much sarcasm as I can muster: If only those black slaves hadn't been so racist. 2) How is this racism, any more than white gangsters killing white people? So if a black business owner shortchanges a black customer, that's also racism? 3) Are you effing kidding me? Everyone who is outraged at, angry with, or otherwise against the police violence against black people is an SJW. I am an SJW. 60% of Americans believe that ’Racism is built into American society. The assumption of white superiority pervades schools, business, housing, and government.’ according to a recent Yahoo News/YouGov poll. 52% agree that "President Trump is a racist." The majority of Americans are SJWs. If you are not outraged .. why not? Drop the nonsensical "SJW" rhetorical label. Demand social justice and equality. Now, back to 3) By "example" I don't mean some abstract story. Because I remember the lying stories Republicans used about black welfare queens in order to harness good old American racism to shrink our social safety net. "Agents"? How sinister! You know you could have left it as "SJWs", right? Your terms have been so over-used by right-wing extremists that they have acquired new meanings. Your "more discrimination" comes across like those people who insist that "feminism" means not "gender equality in the public sphere" but wrongly that "women should be in charge, and men should be hated." While your "cancelling" bring to mind all those people who think "cancel culture" means "no one expressing bigoted ideas should ever have to face consequences."

effie 6y ago
I provided an answer to your question. I did not claim those are examples of minority race being racist. Such examples can be found as well, if we change the target group to be a different race. Nazi Germany (whose population became oppressed minority in Europe after being defeated in WW I) was becoming more racist towards most of the European nations south and east of them (majority) - including Slavic nations, Romas and others. More recent example, after WW II, Israeli settlers (most of which are Jews, an historically oppressed minority) became racist towards Palestinians (majority). > Everyone who is outraged at, angry with, or otherwise against the police violence against black people is an SJW. That's another misunderstanding of terms on your part. Almost everybody who saw that video and other police transgressions since then was disgusted by those policemen actions and are against such police brutality. That includes many racists, bigots, right-wingers, libertarians, traditional left, progressives and others not so easily categorizable political agents. That does not make them SJW's. "Social Justice Warrior" now has a very specific pejorative and derogative meaning: a vocal activist pushing and fighting for ideology of political correctness, for positive discrimination, favouritism of people of minority groups, limiting freedom of expression by policing words and inventing and enforcing new words, and generally using any means available, including racist or bigoted or factually incorrect or logically flawed arguments about race, power, history or biology. They are very attention-seeking and uppity. They care more about winning rhetorical arguments and political battles than about being right and fair. People who really care about society and people of all races/groups having their fair part in society are very different from that. They do not try to annoy, divide or cancel people of other groups, they do not push ideology, instead they try to work with those people towards common goals.
- eesmith 6y ago
  My question was about 'oppressed minority race becoming racial oppressors still being subordinate in the power structure' not a few members of said race becoming racial oppressors. Once a country has weapons and can defend itself, its citizens are not really subordinate in the power structure, is it? When you write "against such police brutality", what does "such" refer to? Because most of the people I've seen/heard on the topic are specifically against racist police brutality. (And they aren't arguing that police brutality against whites should increase.) Where's the long list of white people killed by police brutality that matches what we've seen on video for black people? > now has a very specific pejorative and derogative meaning Based on my observation, its most common meaning is simply a derogatory term for progressive. Are NASCAR officials SJWs by banning the traitor's flag at their events? Are they "politically correct"? ... or simply "correct"? You do know that "uppity" is traditionally used as a way to put down women and blacks who supposedly didn't know that they were supposed to be lower in the social hierarchy, right?