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"(Strangely, HN, that loved Apple in Steve Jobs' glory days, seems to have a lot of irrational hatred for Tesla)." Jobs was vocal in public about products they

by fsloth 6y ago

"(Strangely, HN, that loved Apple in Steve Jobs' glory days, seems to have a lot of irrational hatred for Tesla)." Jobs was vocal in public about products they have already launched. They delivered products that were obviously best at what they were intended for. Musk is vocal about - well, apparently everything - and ICE:s are still a superior option for a large category of car owners. I think the biggest gripe is probably about overpromising autopilot capability years before it's actually production ready. Still, Musk is up there with Ford on a list of industrialists who made a dent in the universe in my books.

davedx 6y ago
> I think the biggest gripe is probably about overpromising autopilot capability years before it's actually production ready. Very fair! This has been a pretty spectacular overpromise. I firmly believe FSD will get here eventually but the timeframes were ridiculously off. What I also read is an insane amount of comment on every SpaceX and Tesla post here about how bad it is to have touchscreens in cars or spacecraft, and how huge swathes of HN commenters are absolutely convinced touchscreens are dangerous, regressive, etc. Even when professional pilots chime in about how they're used in aircraft. Even when SpaceX designed their Dragon controls in consultation with the veteran astronauts who use them, HN was convinced this was bad, and don't even mention they dared used Chromium! (Not really a Tesla specific thing using touchscreens but seems to be a very popular complaint about them here.)
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > Even when professional pilots chime in about how they're used in aircraft. Well ... depends. Airliner FMS systems are awesome. Small planes usually have Garmin 430 and 530 GPS units, which are not touchscreen (they have side buttons), and have shitty UIs. And those eye-watering navigation database update prices ... thousands per year.
- Silhouette 6y ago
  What I also read is an insane amount of comment on every SpaceX and Tesla post here about how bad it is to have touchscreens in cars or spacecraft, and how huge swathes of HN commenters are absolutely convinced touchscreens are dangerous, regressive, etc. https://trl.co.uk/reports/interacting-android-auto-and-apple-carplay-when-driving https://trl.co.uk/reports/interacting-android-auto-and-apple... Even when professional pilots chime in about how they're used in aircraft. Flying an aircraft is a very different experience to driving a car. The procedures, instruments and control systems are so different that I'm not sure there's really any meaningful comparison at all.
- xkjkls 6y ago
  The timelines are ridiculously off, and they continue to release underbaked features to their beta testing customers. That's actively dangerous. As for the touchscreens, so much of that speaks to Musk's credibility. He seems to make decisions, like with Autopilot above, more for PR than for safety. I can see why people are going to be skeptical when he claims touchscreens are best for space usage/

by fsloth 6y ago

davedx 6y ago

> I think the biggest gripe is probably about overpromising autopilot capability years before it's actually production ready. Very fair! This has been a pretty spectacular overpromise. I firmly believe FSD will get here eventually but the timeframes were ridiculously off. What I also read is an insane amount of comment on every SpaceX and Tesla post here about how bad it is to have touchscreens in cars or spacecraft, and how huge swathes of HN commenters are absolutely convinced touchscreens are dangerous, regressive, etc. Even when professional pilots chime in about how they're used in aircraft. Even when SpaceX designed their Dragon controls in consultation with the veteran astronauts who use them, HN was convinced this was bad, and don't even mention they dared used Chromium! (Not really a Tesla specific thing using touchscreens but seems to be a very popular complaint about them here.)

redis_mlc 6y ago
> Even when professional pilots chime in about how they're used in aircraft. Well ... depends. Airliner FMS systems are awesome. Small planes usually have Garmin 430 and 530 GPS units, which are not touchscreen (they have side buttons), and have shitty UIs. And those eye-watering navigation database update prices ... thousands per year.
Silhouette 6y ago
What I also read is an insane amount of comment on every SpaceX and Tesla post here about how bad it is to have touchscreens in cars or spacecraft, and how huge swathes of HN commenters are absolutely convinced touchscreens are dangerous, regressive, etc. https://trl.co.uk/reports/interacting-android-auto-and-apple-carplay-when-driving https://trl.co.uk/reports/interacting-android-auto-and-apple... Even when professional pilots chime in about how they're used in aircraft. Flying an aircraft is a very different experience to driving a car. The procedures, instruments and control systems are so different that I'm not sure there's really any meaningful comparison at all.
xkjkls 6y ago
The timelines are ridiculously off, and they continue to release underbaked features to their beta testing customers. That's actively dangerous. As for the touchscreens, so much of that speaks to Musk's credibility. He seems to make decisions, like with Autopilot above, more for PR than for safety. I can see why people are going to be skeptical when he claims touchscreens are best for space usage/