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>> the US - the country that went to the moon, that invented the internet, that built a military capability that literally saved the world in ww2 > two of those

>> the US - the country that went to the moon, that invented the internet, that built a military capability that literally saved the world in ww2 > two of those are in part result of propaganda Eh, no. We (the USA) did really go to the moon, though I know some USA citizens dispute that. It was really USA universities and corporations (with DARPA funding) that built the foundations of Ethernet, TCP/IP and the Internet. Yes, plenty of contributions from others (including foreign grad students), but still, USA institutions. The USA produced a lot of war material for all the Allies in WW2. A lot went to the USSR to keep them in the fight. This in no way should diminish the absolutely unprecedented loss and sacrifice of the USSR peoples in the Great Patriotic War, who bore the brunt of it. But without the USA, I really doubt the Allies could have stopped the Axis powers.

arethuza 6y ago
"I really doubt the Allies could have stopped the Axis powers" It was a team effort - without combined efforts of the USA and the Soviets (and to a lesser extent the UK) the Axis powers might have prevailed.
rscho 6y ago
Wow incredible! Apparently, the USA have also developed the world's most potent propaganda machine.
- lebuffon 6y ago
  That has always been the case. George Washington and the cherry tree comes to mind. And so it began. Sometime near the end of the cold war I realized that the West's propaganda machine was in fact better than the Soviet version. Nobody in the USSR believed "Pravda" but everybody believed the NBC Nightly News. :) One might argue however that we need such a mechanism since in 2020, as the Scots might say: "People can ni' agree on the color o' Shite"
somewhereoutth 6y ago
In addition - regarding the European theater, the most important contribution of the US was keeping the USSR to the Elbe, otherwise the entirety of continental Europe would have fallen under communist rule.

arethuza 6y ago

"I really doubt the Allies could have stopped the Axis powers" It was a team effort - without combined efforts of the USA and the Soviets (and to a lesser extent the UK) the Axis powers might have prevailed.

rscho 6y ago

Wow incredible! Apparently, the USA have also developed the world's most potent propaganda machine.

lebuffon 6y ago
That has always been the case. George Washington and the cherry tree comes to mind. And so it began. Sometime near the end of the cold war I realized that the West's propaganda machine was in fact better than the Soviet version. Nobody in the USSR believed "Pravda" but everybody believed the NBC Nightly News. :) One might argue however that we need such a mechanism since in 2020, as the Scots might say: "People can ni' agree on the color o' Shite"

somewhereoutth 6y ago

In addition - regarding the European theater, the most important contribution of the US was keeping the USSR to the Elbe, otherwise the entirety of continental Europe would have fallen under communist rule.