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No, Magdalen is considered a bigot for saying trans women are "blackface actors" and "men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women". You can decide i

No, Magdalen is considered a bigot for saying trans women are "blackface actors" and "men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women". You can decide if you agree with that or not, but that is the kind of thing she said which upset people.

zozbot234 6y ago
> "men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women" Many people will not like this, but so-called autogynephilia seems to be a real causal factor behind some varieties of gender-dysphoric identity among people assigned-male-at-birth. (To be clear about this, other varieties do exist that involve very different causal paths.) Her language was obviously unkind, but she was pointing at something quite real.
- junke 6y ago
  This is Blanchard stuff. Autogynephilia exists (in cis-women too!), but that being a "real causal factor" is disputed: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2010.486241 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2010.4...
- CJefferson 6y ago
  There might be some basis for truth here, but I was also being polite (you didn't know that from my reply). Let's go full quote, just so people don't get the impression that Magdalen was trying to make a fair and reasoned point: "You are fucking blackface actors. You aren't women. You're men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women. Fuck you and your dirty fucking perversions. Our oppression isn't a fetish you pathetic, sick, fuck".
  - zozbot234 6y ago
    Yes, but the reason why that attack is so contentious in the first place is that it hits at a real weakness in trans activism. It was trans activists themselves who first politicized the narrative around things like autogynephilia and rapid-onset dysphoria, by branding these ideas as anti-trans and bigoted no matter how "fair and reasoned" expressed - and this is something that creates real harm, as Rowling obliquely points out by referencing the "detransitioning" trans and contrasting them with folks who took a far more cautious approach to transitioning in the past.
    - CJefferson 6y ago
      Firstly, that attack is conentious because it calls all trans people "sick fucks". That isn't really a conversation topic. Also, I keep hearing about "detransitioning", but can't find any evidence it is actually significantly growing -- numers who regret getting surgery seem to sit around, or below, 1%.

zozbot234 6y ago

> "men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women" Many people will not like this, but so-called autogynephilia seems to be a real causal factor behind some varieties of gender-dysphoric identity among people assigned-male-at-birth. (To be clear about this, other varieties do exist that involve very different causal paths.) Her language was obviously unkind, but she was pointing at something quite real.

junke 6y ago
This is Blanchard stuff. Autogynephilia exists (in cis-women too!), but that being a "real causal factor" is disputed: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2010.486241 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2010.4...
CJefferson 6y ago
There might be some basis for truth here, but I was also being polite (you didn't know that from my reply). Let's go full quote, just so people don't get the impression that Magdalen was trying to make a fair and reasoned point: "You are fucking blackface actors. You aren't women. You're men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women. Fuck you and your dirty fucking perversions. Our oppression isn't a fetish you pathetic, sick, fuck".
- zozbot234 6y ago
  Yes, but the reason why that attack is so contentious in the first place is that it hits at a real weakness in trans activism. It was trans activists themselves who first politicized the narrative around things like autogynephilia and rapid-onset dysphoria, by branding these ideas as anti-trans and bigoted no matter how "fair and reasoned" expressed - and this is something that creates real harm, as Rowling obliquely points out by referencing the "detransitioning" trans and contrasting them with folks who took a far more cautious approach to transitioning in the past.
  - CJefferson 6y ago
    Firstly, that attack is conentious because it calls all trans people "sick fucks". That isn't really a conversation topic. Also, I keep hearing about "detransitioning", but can't find any evidence it is actually significantly growing -- numers who regret getting surgery seem to sit around, or below, 1%.