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"Hachette, HarperCollins, Penguin Random House, and Wiley [...] sued the organization." Noted. I'll spend my money elsewhere.

Ensorceled 6y ago
Well, you were not spending money there anyway if you were downloading your books from IA ...
- shervinafshar 6y ago
  Ad hominem; Not everyone standing in support of IA in this case is even a user of their emergency library.
  - Ensorceled 6y ago
    I guess it's an ad hominem, except the original comment made no argument, just implied they were boycotting those publishers going forward. I made no argument, just implied their boycott would probably be infective because they probably weren't buying books anyway. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy where the debaters character is attacked rather than their point addressed. There is no argument being made here on either side.
    - shervinafshar 6y ago
      I beg to differ. I see at least two main arguments here: Argument 1: Since these publishers are suing IA (premise), I find it justified for myself to boycott them (conclusion) Argument 2: Well, you were not spending money there anyway (conclusion) if you were downloading your books from IA (premise). Why did I feel that Argument 2 was unsubstantiated and ad hominem? I asked myself, how did the person making Argument 2 know that the OP... (a) ...has used IA National Emergency Library at all? may be they are just unhappy with these publishers bullying an NGO? (b) ...has used IA NEM to download books from these particular publishers? may be they are buying everything Penguin publishes, but enjoyed using NEM for reading other books from other publishers? Assuming things about the characters and actions of the person you are discussing with and making your argument about those rather than the topic of discussion, is a sign of a logical fallacy to me.
- squarefoot 6y ago
  For what is worth, I didn't download anything by those publishers from the IA during the pandemic, but have for sure some physical books from Penguin and Wiley in my library. I took notes anyway to never buy anything again from those publishers, not even as a gift.
- linuxhansl 6y ago
  I didn't. I sometime "sample" books online before I decide to buy them.
shervinafshar 6y ago
It should be noted that the cumulative annual revenue of these four conglomerate were north of $4B in 2017. Unfortunately, they own so many smaller publishers, that it's very hard to boycott all of their subsidiaries effectively and without harming the small fish. But I do share your sentiment; I haven't loaned even one single book from IA emergency library and I still stand with them in support against opportunistic greed of these publishers in this case.

Ensorceled 6y ago

Well, you were not spending money there anyway if you were downloading your books from IA ...

shervinafshar 6y ago
Ad hominem; Not everyone standing in support of IA in this case is even a user of their emergency library.
- Ensorceled 6y ago
  I guess it's an ad hominem, except the original comment made no argument, just implied they were boycotting those publishers going forward. I made no argument, just implied their boycott would probably be infective because they probably weren't buying books anyway. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy where the debaters character is attacked rather than their point addressed. There is no argument being made here on either side.
  - shervinafshar 6y ago
    I beg to differ. I see at least two main arguments here: Argument 1: Since these publishers are suing IA (premise), I find it justified for myself to boycott them (conclusion) Argument 2: Well, you were not spending money there anyway (conclusion) if you were downloading your books from IA (premise). Why did I feel that Argument 2 was unsubstantiated and ad hominem? I asked myself, how did the person making Argument 2 know that the OP... (a) ...has used IA National Emergency Library at all? may be they are just unhappy with these publishers bullying an NGO? (b) ...has used IA NEM to download books from these particular publishers? may be they are buying everything Penguin publishes, but enjoyed using NEM for reading other books from other publishers? Assuming things about the characters and actions of the person you are discussing with and making your argument about those rather than the topic of discussion, is a sign of a logical fallacy to me.
squarefoot 6y ago
For what is worth, I didn't download anything by those publishers from the IA during the pandemic, but have for sure some physical books from Penguin and Wiley in my library. I took notes anyway to never buy anything again from those publishers, not even as a gift.
linuxhansl 6y ago
I didn't. I sometime "sample" books online before I decide to buy them.

shervinafshar 6y ago

It should be noted that the cumulative annual revenue of these four conglomerate were north of $4B in 2017. Unfortunately, they own so many smaller publishers, that it's very hard to boycott all of their subsidiaries effectively and without harming the small fish. But I do share your sentiment; I haven't loaned even one single book from IA emergency library and I still stand with them in support against opportunistic greed of these publishers in this case.