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> My work on SourceHut has, on the whole, really soured my opinion of Python as a serious language for large projects. A lot of the things thank make Python gr

> My work on SourceHut has, on the whole, really soured my opinion of Python as a serious language for large projects. A lot of the things thank make Python great for small projects, really bite you on a large or long-lived project. For me, the two biggest are lack of types and indentation for scoping. It is really easy to mess up white space during an edit or refactor. In many languages you would just reformat. In python, you have to be careful that a statement suddenly did not end up outside or inside an if block.

frou_dh 6y ago
Python has a better static typesystem than Go does: https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#union-types https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#un... https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#optional-types-and-the-none-type https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#op... https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/generics.html https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/generics.html https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/protocols.html https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/protocols.html
- ianamartin 6y ago
  Even though I like Python a lot, I clicked on a reply to this comment because I was absolutely certain I was going to have to disagree with you. That just didn't seem possible. But . . . I was wrong. That third link with generics makes me cry when I think about the go code I've written.
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    Are those tears result of overflowing with joy or sadness?
    - ianamartin 6y ago
      Can it be both?
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    I'm really liking Python static types to the point where I don't write new programs without them. Give them a shot, they really help.
    - karatestomp 6y ago
      Do most libraries use static types? Or have something widely-used and well-supported available like the @types project for TypeScript to provide them, fairly seamlessly, to consumers of those libraries?
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        Some projects do, yes. Django, for example, has a library to provide types. In my experience, types are useful even just in my own application, since the libraries I use tend to generally only accept simple/fundamental types anyway. Things could definitely be better when it comes to library type support, though, I agree.
- enomad 6y ago
  Who will win: Obsoleted garbage without code blocks, lambdas, if-expressions, pattern-matching, speed, kids thinking they're metaprogramming/fp gurus. vs Garbage dumber than C without generics, error handling, sadistic linter with unused variable-error, kids thinking they're programmers. PS: of course python's type system better than Go, b/c anything is better than nothing. Moveover, python's type system has nothing common with python: sumtypes is useless without pattern matching and they doesn't play well with classes, scope-leaking variables isn't really static. I believe there will be modern high-level programming language someday. RIIR!

frou_dh 6y ago

Python has a better static typesystem than Go does: https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#union-types https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#un... https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#optional-types-and-the-none-type https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/kinds_of_types.html#op... https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/generics.html https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/generics.html https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/protocols.html https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/protocols.html

ianamartin 6y ago
Even though I like Python a lot, I clicked on a reply to this comment because I was absolutely certain I was going to have to disagree with you. That just didn't seem possible. But . . . I was wrong. That third link with generics makes me cry when I think about the go code I've written.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  Are those tears result of overflowing with joy or sadness?
  - ianamartin 6y ago
    Can it be both?
- StavrosK 6y ago
  I'm really liking Python static types to the point where I don't write new programs without them. Give them a shot, they really help.
  - karatestomp 6y ago
    Do most libraries use static types? Or have something widely-used and well-supported available like the @types project for TypeScript to provide them, fairly seamlessly, to consumers of those libraries?
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      Some projects do, yes. Django, for example, has a library to provide types. In my experience, types are useful even just in my own application, since the libraries I use tend to generally only accept simple/fundamental types anyway. Things could definitely be better when it comes to library type support, though, I agree.
enomad 6y ago
Who will win: Obsoleted garbage without code blocks, lambdas, if-expressions, pattern-matching, speed, kids thinking they're metaprogramming/fp gurus. vs Garbage dumber than C without generics, error handling, sadistic linter with unused variable-error, kids thinking they're programmers. PS: of course python's type system better than Go, b/c anything is better than nothing. Moveover, python's type system has nothing common with python: sumtypes is useless without pattern matching and they doesn't play well with classes, scope-leaking variables isn't really static. I believe there will be modern high-level programming language someday. RIIR!