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Actually, over half of US hospitals are not-for-profit and another quarter are public. Only a small minority are for-profit. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki

by rsanek 6y ago

Actually, over half of US hospitals are not-for-profit and another quarter are public. Only a small minority are for-profit. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_hospital https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_hospital

stickfigure 6y ago
This fact is missing something essential; Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Also, it's something of a minor nit - nonprofit corporations need revenue too. My wife is a nurse for Dignity Health (another "nonprofit" hospital here in California) and has been effectively laid off for the last couple months. It's great that the ER is empty, but in the mean time nurses are struggling and people aren't getting their cancer screenings. If this goes on long enough, our healthcare system will fall apart from atrophy, not from overuse.
- unishark 6y ago
  > This fact is missing something essential; Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Why is that? You don't think they lay people off in Canada or Japan when there's no patients? Even single-payer systems can have private hospitals. They are simply paid by the govt instead of (or really in addition to) by patients. They still need business and to balance the books. Canada has a similar mix of all kinds of hospitals like the US, though it may be more slanted in some way.
- hcknwscommenter 6y ago
  >Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Huh? It is exactly what I think of when I use the term non-profit in the context of a healthcare maintenance organization. I truly have no idea what you mean by your quoted statement.
  - rscho 6y ago
    He/she means: KP generates a lot of money for some important people, and their marketing and management strategy is as aggressive as for-profit institutions
- fraserharris 6y ago
  Kaiser Permanente is a conglomerate that is a consortium of for-profit and not-for-profit entities. The health plans (insurance) and hospitals are not-for-profit. The physicians are organized into for-profit partnerships. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente#Operations
40four 6y ago
Oh, thanks. well maybe I’m wrong about the amount of for profit hospitals, I’ll look into it. I realize now that I could have left that part out in my rant. Either way, non profits are affected the same way from lack of traffic/ volume.

by rsanek 6y ago

stickfigure 6y ago

This fact is missing something essential; Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Also, it's something of a minor nit - nonprofit corporations need revenue too. My wife is a nurse for Dignity Health (another "nonprofit" hospital here in California) and has been effectively laid off for the last couple months. It's great that the ER is empty, but in the mean time nurses are struggling and people aren't getting their cancer screenings. If this goes on long enough, our healthcare system will fall apart from atrophy, not from overuse.

unishark 6y ago
> This fact is missing something essential; Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Why is that? You don't think they lay people off in Canada or Japan when there's no patients? Even single-payer systems can have private hospitals. They are simply paid by the govt instead of (or really in addition to) by patients. They still need business and to balance the books. Canada has a similar mix of all kinds of hospitals like the US, though it may be more slanted in some way.
hcknwscommenter 6y ago
>Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Huh? It is exactly what I think of when I use the term non-profit in the context of a healthcare maintenance organization. I truly have no idea what you mean by your quoted statement.
- rscho 6y ago
  He/she means: KP generates a lot of money for some important people, and their marketing and management strategy is as aggressive as for-profit institutions
fraserharris 6y ago
Kaiser Permanente is a conglomerate that is a consortium of for-profit and not-for-profit entities. The health plans (insurance) and hospitals are not-for-profit. The physicians are organized into for-profit partnerships. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente#Operations

40four 6y ago

Oh, thanks. well maybe I’m wrong about the amount of for profit hospitals, I’ll look into it. I realize now that I could have left that part out in my rant. Either way, non profits are affected the same way from lack of traffic/ volume.