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I really can't believe that anyone thought that having plain-clothed cops serve a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night with no squad cars or body cameras

by yaur 6y ago

I really can't believe that anyone thought that having plain-clothed cops serve a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night with no squad cars or body cameras for a case where the suspect was already in custody made sense. It also doesn't seem like they were expecting armed resistance, probably because they knew the suspect was in custody. Instead, I suspect that these are dirty cops who were essentially trying to burglarize a drug dealer's apartment and got caught off guard when the accidentally broke into the home of some armed but law-abiding citizens.

codezero 6y ago
Oh wow. That may be taking it too far, but is there a reason to believe that might be a possible scenario here?
- yaur 6y ago
  They claimed that they announced themselves which suggests that they didn't know that the warrant they were serving was no-knock. Their shots apparently hit the apartment above. With a breaching entry and an unknown target, random positioning in the horizontal plane may be expected but in the vertical plane it is definitely not. That suggests that they were holstered when they kicked in the door. Further, the gunner shot once and hit while the "police" shot many times and only managed to hit his girlfriend which suggests that they were much more panicked than someone that was asleep 1 minute before the encounter started. what does the evidence look like when the police decided to rob you?
  - codezero 6y ago
    Evidence looks like the police came in unprofessionally, unprepared, and embarrassed. This is not excusable. They are lucky more lives weren’t lost.
  - dillonmckay 6y ago
    Wow. I did not realize the other apartment was located above. I thought it was next door. Just, wow.
- pjc50 6y ago
  There's the stat that the police take more in civil forfeiture than all burglaries, but that's the "perfectly legal" theft by police. Invisible theft by police - seizing drugs or money and then not registering them as evidence but instead taking themselves - is almost impossible to quantify, since it happens under strong omerta.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  >is there a reason to believe that might be a possible scenario here? It is not unheard of for drug task forces to augment their official income by robbing drug dealers. I wanna say one of the major cities in CA had a task force that got into trouble for this as did IIRC Newark and Baltimore (pretty sure it was them but not 100%). It's definitely A Thing(TM). There was at least one story of a particularity systemic case that hit HN.
  - throwaway6734 6y ago
    Yep in Baltimore the Guns Task Force was robbing drug dealers and then reselling the drugs. You can read more about it here: http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/gun-trace-overview/ http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/gun-trace-overview/

by yaur 6y ago

codezero 6y ago

Oh wow. That may be taking it too far, but is there a reason to believe that might be a possible scenario here?

yaur 6y ago
They claimed that they announced themselves which suggests that they didn't know that the warrant they were serving was no-knock. Their shots apparently hit the apartment above. With a breaching entry and an unknown target, random positioning in the horizontal plane may be expected but in the vertical plane it is definitely not. That suggests that they were holstered when they kicked in the door. Further, the gunner shot once and hit while the "police" shot many times and only managed to hit his girlfriend which suggests that they were much more panicked than someone that was asleep 1 minute before the encounter started. what does the evidence look like when the police decided to rob you?
- codezero 6y ago
  Evidence looks like the police came in unprofessionally, unprepared, and embarrassed. This is not excusable. They are lucky more lives weren’t lost.
- dillonmckay 6y ago
  Wow. I did not realize the other apartment was located above. I thought it was next door. Just, wow.
pjc50 6y ago
There's the stat that the police take more in civil forfeiture than all burglaries, but that's the "perfectly legal" theft by police. Invisible theft by police - seizing drugs or money and then not registering them as evidence but instead taking themselves - is almost impossible to quantify, since it happens under strong omerta.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>is there a reason to believe that might be a possible scenario here? It is not unheard of for drug task forces to augment their official income by robbing drug dealers. I wanna say one of the major cities in CA had a task force that got into trouble for this as did IIRC Newark and Baltimore (pretty sure it was them but not 100%). It's definitely A Thing(TM). There was at least one story of a particularity systemic case that hit HN.
- throwaway6734 6y ago
  Yep in Baltimore the Guns Task Force was robbing drug dealers and then reselling the drugs. You can read more about it here: http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/gun-trace-overview/ http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/gun-trace-overview/