I actually didn't even mention bots, although social media bots are part of it (in terms of posting things). I think it's mostly real people working for Russia

I actually didn't even mention bots, although social media bots are part of it (in terms of posting things). I think it's mostly real people working for Russia and China, stirring up other people who are not. Social media is a huge echo chamber. As far as NYT and WaPo, they are not "fake news" in the sense I was talking about. Nor is Fox, Breitbart, OANN etc. I'm talking about sites that are set up for people to imitate news organizations and spread made up but super polarizing content, often about race, religion, abortion, guns, immigration -- anything that divides people. That content then pings around on social media and helps amps up the polarization to incredible levels.