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When people say "don't talk to the cops" are they referring to situations like this too? It just seems like not talking is not the way to get a favorable outcom

When people say "don't talk to the cops" are they referring to situations like this too? It just seems like not talking is not the way to get a favorable outcome from this circumstance. Like it is a privilege to be able to absorb the potential ticket, that you might be able to get out of like this guy did with a warning. It seems more likely that the cop would create pretexts to escalate the situation by not talking to them.

elliekelly 6y ago
Indeed, I’m reminded of the Attorney who runs “Flex Your Rights” who once saw officers write someone a ticket and waited until after the police were done so he could talk to the person about their rights. His encounter with those same officers a few minutes later was caught on body cam: https://youtu.be/28w6xvRj9EM https://youtu.be/28w6xvRj9EM This is a guy who is arguably as “privileged” as it gets for someone pulled over by the police: highly educated white guy attorney who hadn’t done anything wrong. And he was charged with two (very minor) crimes. It’s easy to give the advice to exercise your rights but it’s difficult in practice when the retaliation by those in authority is so clear.
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jacobush 6y ago
Tickets should be proportional to income and wealth. Like in Finland. As of now, it's a disproportionate tax on poor people, and the cops know it.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  I feel like that would make cops target wealthier communities. A simpler solution is that any revenue from traffic tickets goes to the federal government rather than the county or state.
  - eeZah7Ux 6y ago
    Both solution are required together.
  - derivagral 6y ago
    I think this is almost exactly the point: incentivize police to target wealthier communities, who should then be able to push back more effectively. I'm not sure reality works that cleanly, but I think that's the thought.
  - jacobush 6y ago
    Yeah I forgot about that weird US thing. Funding local Police with tickets is quaint, almost absurd.
rasz 6y ago
'Am I being detained, or can I go now?' is the only thing you say. Paperwork can be dealt later by the laywer.

elliekelly 6y ago

Indeed, I’m reminded of the Attorney who runs “Flex Your Rights” who once saw officers write someone a ticket and waited until after the police were done so he could talk to the person about their rights. His encounter with those same officers a few minutes later was caught on body cam: https://youtu.be/28w6xvRj9EM https://youtu.be/28w6xvRj9EM This is a guy who is arguably as “privileged” as it gets for someone pulled over by the police: highly educated white guy attorney who hadn’t done anything wrong. And he was charged with two (very minor) crimes. It’s easy to give the advice to exercise your rights but it’s difficult in practice when the retaliation by those in authority is so clear.

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jacobush 6y ago

Tickets should be proportional to income and wealth. Like in Finland. As of now, it's a disproportionate tax on poor people, and the cops know it.

missedthecue 6y ago
I feel like that would make cops target wealthier communities. A simpler solution is that any revenue from traffic tickets goes to the federal government rather than the county or state.
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  Both solution are required together.
- derivagral 6y ago
  I think this is almost exactly the point: incentivize police to target wealthier communities, who should then be able to push back more effectively. I'm not sure reality works that cleanly, but I think that's the thought.
- jacobush 6y ago
  Yeah I forgot about that weird US thing. Funding local Police with tickets is quaint, almost absurd.

rasz 6y ago

'Am I being detained, or can I go now?' is the only thing you say. Paperwork can be dealt later by the laywer.