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I found the article a bit of a puzzle - I must admit I cannot understand his final point. The author talks about how he moved to the SF bay area, and says: "S

by luke_s 16y ago

I found the article a bit of a puzzle - I must admit I cannot understand his final point. The author talks about how he moved to the SF bay area, and says: "So this is how instinctively craving for the Lean Startup’s feedback loop, i decided to leave my home country and get to the place where internet startups are built." Isn't the internet, where internet startups are built? That’s were all your users are. That’s where all the revenue comes from. I thought the whole point of startups, was that anybody with an idea could create one without having to live in a certain place, or have lots of money and connections. However I admit, that I live on the other side of the world from SF, and the probability that I don’t 'get it' is high. Can somebody who is in SF explain what you can do there, that you can't do from anywhere else in the world with a net connection?

dasil003 16y ago
Sounds like he couldn't get any feedback in Greece. This was interesting because having moved to silicon valley a few years ago, I never thought of user feedback as one of the core values of the area. The situation elsewhere in the US is probably better than Greece, but maybe not as good as San Francisco.
- luke_s 16y ago
  As somebody in San Francisco, how has being there helped you get user feedback? Wouldn't the audience for most startups be either global, or at least national? Or is it something more to do with the culture of the San Francisco bay area?
  - ctide 16y ago
    From my experience, you get much better generalized startup feedback, but it's frankly harder to get true user feedback unless you're building something for SF types. I tend to filter a lot of my more general consumer product ideas through friends who DON'T live in SF because I want them to not be comparing it to every other startup they've heard about recently.
thanasisp 16y ago
Hey Luke! Thank you for your comments, i am the author of the article. Which would happen to be a perfect answer to your question... Among limitless other things, you can get feedback and support on your efforts in SF... more on that on another post i made on "Why Europe Leaks Startups to US" http://goo.gl/8ijbm http://goo.gl/8ijbm But now that i am in SF i can draw you a picture comparing the two situations. When i was back in Greece, working on my Consumer Internet Startup product was like operating the Pathfinder rover on Mars. If it got stuck in the mud it could take weeks, months, or forever to get started again... On the other hand, being here in SF, working on the same product is like driving a Land Rover on Mars with me in it! In the unlikely situation that i'll get stuck in the mud, i'll have helicopters lifting me off in less than 30 minutes. But then again, why not have someone 'local' explain the difference? :)
- luke_s 16y ago
  Hmmm, from reading your other post, it sounds like you can create a start up anywhere, but if you want to make the 'next big thing', you will get a bost from being in SF, because, there is a bigger network of people working on startups, thats where the money is, and thats where the coders are. Would that be correct?
  - thanasisp 16y ago
    exactly!
Aloisius 16y ago
The bay area has a huge number of early adopters that can get an product to critical mass. It is incredibly useful to someone who doesn't have a platform or serious marketing dollars.

by luke_s 16y ago

dasil003 16y ago

Sounds like he couldn't get any feedback in Greece. This was interesting because having moved to silicon valley a few years ago, I never thought of user feedback as one of the core values of the area. The situation elsewhere in the US is probably better than Greece, but maybe not as good as San Francisco.

luke_s 16y ago
As somebody in San Francisco, how has being there helped you get user feedback? Wouldn't the audience for most startups be either global, or at least national? Or is it something more to do with the culture of the San Francisco bay area?
- ctide 16y ago
  From my experience, you get much better generalized startup feedback, but it's frankly harder to get true user feedback unless you're building something for SF types. I tend to filter a lot of my more general consumer product ideas through friends who DON'T live in SF because I want them to not be comparing it to every other startup they've heard about recently.

thanasisp 16y ago

Hey Luke! Thank you for your comments, i am the author of the article. Which would happen to be a perfect answer to your question... Among limitless other things, you can get feedback and support on your efforts in SF... more on that on another post i made on "Why Europe Leaks Startups to US" http://goo.gl/8ijbm http://goo.gl/8ijbm But now that i am in SF i can draw you a picture comparing the two situations. When i was back in Greece, working on my Consumer Internet Startup product was like operating the Pathfinder rover on Mars. If it got stuck in the mud it could take weeks, months, or forever to get started again... On the other hand, being here in SF, working on the same product is like driving a Land Rover on Mars with me in it! In the unlikely situation that i'll get stuck in the mud, i'll have helicopters lifting me off in less than 30 minutes. But then again, why not have someone 'local' explain the difference? :)

luke_s 16y ago
Hmmm, from reading your other post, it sounds like you can create a start up anywhere, but if you want to make the 'next big thing', you will get a bost from being in SF, because, there is a bigger network of people working on startups, thats where the money is, and thats where the coders are. Would that be correct?
- thanasisp 16y ago
  exactly!

Aloisius 16y ago

The bay area has a huge number of early adopters that can get an product to critical mass. It is incredibly useful to someone who doesn't have a platform or serious marketing dollars.