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Exactly. Assume that governments and large companies can and will spy on you and act accordingly. Do not get suckered into some simplistic nationalistic narra

Exactly. Assume that governments and large companies can and will spy on you and act accordingly. Do not get suckered into some simplistic nationalistic narrative in which "our" side is good.

Veen 6y ago
There's two problems with that line of thought. First, "our side" is not good but it is better. Notwithstanding the current unpleasantness, the US government isn't locking up and "reeducating" hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Second, good or bad, it is our side and the CCP is the other side: only an ethically and intellectually challenged person offers tacit support for the "other side" because their own side fails some specious purity test.
- frabbit 6y ago
  the US government isn't locking up and "reeducating" hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Discuss.
  - Veen 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps > As of 2018, it was estimated that the Chinese authorities may have detained hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million, Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and other ethnic Turkic Muslims, Christians as well as some foreign citizens such as Kazakhstanis, who are being held in these secretive internment camps which are located throughout the region. In May 2018, Randall Schriver of the United States Department of Defense repeated claims that "at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens" were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the "concentration camps"
    - frabbit 6y ago
      https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/06/we-know-lot-less-we-think-about-world-which-explains-allure-simplism https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/06/we-know-lot-less-we-thi...
      - Veen 6y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
- laumars 6y ago
  I don’t personally see it as a competition about which side is worse. I see the lack of end to end encryption as more like a security hole that needs fixing irrespective of whether you trust one side more than the other.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > the US government isn't locking up and "reeducating" hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Uhh, yes it is? Primarily urban black males. > only an ethically and intellectually challenged person offers tacit support for [one side] because [the other] side fails some specious purity test. This is very true though. Both sides are very evil, and laumars[0] has the right of it: we need to not trust either of them. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23482044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23482044

Exactly. Assume that governments and large companies can and will spy on you and act accordingly. Do not get suckered into some simplistic nationalistic narrative in which "our" side is good.

Veen 6y ago

There's two problems with that line of thought. First, "our side" is not good but it is better. Notwithstanding the current unpleasantness, the US government isn't locking up and "reeducating" hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Second, good or bad, it is our side and the CCP is the other side: only an ethically and intellectually challenged person offers tacit support for the "other side" because their own side fails some specious purity test.

frabbit 6y ago
the US government isn't locking up and "reeducating" hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Discuss.
- Veen 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps > As of 2018, it was estimated that the Chinese authorities may have detained hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million, Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and other ethnic Turkic Muslims, Christians as well as some foreign citizens such as Kazakhstanis, who are being held in these secretive internment camps which are located throughout the region. In May 2018, Randall Schriver of the United States Department of Defense repeated claims that "at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens" were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the "concentration camps"
  - frabbit 6y ago
    https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/06/we-know-lot-less-we-think-about-world-which-explains-allure-simplism https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/06/we-know-lot-less-we-thi...
    - Veen 6y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
laumars 6y ago
I don’t personally see it as a competition about which side is worse. I see the lack of end to end encryption as more like a security hole that needs fixing irrespective of whether you trust one side more than the other.
a1369209993 6y ago
> the US government isn't locking up and "reeducating" hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Uhh, yes it is? Primarily urban black males. > only an ethically and intellectually challenged person offers tacit support for [one side] because [the other] side fails some specious purity test. This is very true though. Both sides are very evil, and laumars[0] has the right of it: we need to not trust either of them. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23482044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23482044