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> - better default styles that don't look like troff from 1985 Design is not something that should be tied to a particular decade. It's not fashion. Good desig

> - better default styles that don't look like troff from 1985 Design is not something that should be tied to a particular decade. It's not fashion. Good design is timeless and only adopts to new technologies/media. Design is how well a particular solution works for the purpose of it. If it looks like 1985 and works well, there is absolutely no reason to change it. If it doesn't, then there is no need to look at "modern trends", instead we need to go back to the drawing board and find out what the problem is first. Can you identify the problem with the design besides the superficial aesthetic (which can be easily themed)?

thecupisblue 6y ago
> Design is how well a particular solution works for the purpose of it That's one half. The other one is how people feel while using it. 1985 aesthetic makes people feel bad. Thus design is half bad. Or, for you maybe, half good.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  Speak for yourself; some of us think computer aesthetics peaked by the 90s ;)
  - optimuspaul 6y ago
    and some of us are still waiting for aesthetics to reach computers ;)
    - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
      :D The joy of aesthetics and style is that there's enough room for more than one of us to be right, and certainly enough room for all of us to be wrong :-)
jakear 6y ago
> it’s not fashion Many would argue good fashion is timeless as well. A good chunk of haute couture from decades past would be seen as modern and appealing today. (Which is why the houses like to repackage and ship them as such...)
- fermienrico 6y ago
  I disagree, accordingly Wikipedia: > Fashion is a popular aesthetic expression at a particular time, place and in a specific context, especially in clothing, footwear, lifestyle, accessories, makeup, hairstyle, and body proportions. Fashion is inexplicably linked to a particular time. Just like Art - Art evolves with time and it is part of the culture, current events, etc. Design is not (unless you want to include say media as it changes through time. For e.g. print -> digital media).
- boomlinde 6y ago
  > A good chunk of haute couture from decades past would be seen as modern and appealing today. But not at every given point in time. That fashion ebbs and flows is a given, but that's not the same thing as being timeless.
smnrchrds 6y ago
> Design is not something that should be tied to a particular decade. Design does not exist in a vacuum. Technological progress, for example, creates the need for design change. Microsoft's switch from a serif to a sans serif font as the default typeface for Word was a good move, because we rarely print documents anymore and a the best design for print is not the same as the best design for screens. 20th century physics books had a distinct design for illustrations. It was beautiful and functional. But it was also designed around the limitations of their eventual monochrome (not even greyscale) print. A 2020 textbook does not have the same limitations and should not be designed with the same set of constraints.

thecupisblue 6y ago

> Design is how well a particular solution works for the purpose of it That's one half. The other one is how people feel while using it. 1985 aesthetic makes people feel bad. Thus design is half bad. Or, for you maybe, half good.

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
Speak for yourself; some of us think computer aesthetics peaked by the 90s ;)
- optimuspaul 6y ago
  and some of us are still waiting for aesthetics to reach computers ;)
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    :D The joy of aesthetics and style is that there's enough room for more than one of us to be right, and certainly enough room for all of us to be wrong :-)

jakear 6y ago

> it’s not fashion Many would argue good fashion is timeless as well. A good chunk of haute couture from decades past would be seen as modern and appealing today. (Which is why the houses like to repackage and ship them as such...)

fermienrico 6y ago
I disagree, accordingly Wikipedia: > Fashion is a popular aesthetic expression at a particular time, place and in a specific context, especially in clothing, footwear, lifestyle, accessories, makeup, hairstyle, and body proportions. Fashion is inexplicably linked to a particular time. Just like Art - Art evolves with time and it is part of the culture, current events, etc. Design is not (unless you want to include say media as it changes through time. For e.g. print -> digital media).
boomlinde 6y ago
> A good chunk of haute couture from decades past would be seen as modern and appealing today. But not at every given point in time. That fashion ebbs and flows is a given, but that's not the same thing as being timeless.

smnrchrds 6y ago

> Design is not something that should be tied to a particular decade. Design does not exist in a vacuum. Technological progress, for example, creates the need for design change. Microsoft's switch from a serif to a sans serif font as the default typeface for Word was a good move, because we rarely print documents anymore and a the best design for print is not the same as the best design for screens. 20th century physics books had a distinct design for illustrations. It was beautiful and functional. But it was also designed around the limitations of their eventual monochrome (not even greyscale) print. A 2020 textbook does not have the same limitations and should not be designed with the same set of constraints.