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You didn't really address the author's point which was that there don't appear to be compelling uses of facial technology beyond mass automated surveillance. I

You didn't really address the author's point which was that there don't appear to be compelling uses of facial technology beyond mass automated surveillance. I can't think of other uses and I'd be interested if you can come up with some.

nitrogen 6y ago
Biometric authentication is one that comes to mind. Facial recognition running locally on my own photo library would also be useful for organizing photos. A cloud-free local-only home automation system that can tell the difference between owners/housemates/guests and customize behavior accordingly would also be nice.
- sk0g 6y ago
  I'm looking into YOLO for this, but it's moreso to verify your selfie == image on document, and we want to avoid sending highly sensitive information to third party providers. The current service we use, while accurate, costs 50 cents per verification... Edit: reading through this thread, if the model isn't super massive, we could offer on-browser verification! 27MB is still a hefty download though.
sterlind 6y ago
Labeling photos with who's in them, either on social media or in private image albums (creating indexes of people in your photos.) Arguably this is a front for mass surveillance, or can easily be misused for that, but the ostensible purpose is separate and benign.
canada_dry 6y ago
Here's one: identifying child soldiers. [i] https://www.pyimagesearch.com/2020/05/11/an-ethical-application-of-computer-vision-and-deep-learning-identifying-child-soldiers-through-automatic-age-and-military-fatigue-detection/ https://www.pyimagesearch.com/2020/05/11/an-ethical-applicat...
homarp 6y ago
Some compelling use: 1) assistance to recognizing people (because low vision, because memory fails, because you have a lot of photos...) 2) ensure candidate X is actually candidate X and not a paid person to take the exam in name of candidate X 3) door access control (to replace/in addition to access card) 4) having your own X-Ray (like in Amazon Prime): identify an actor/actress/model 5) having your personal robot addressing you by name
- homarp 6y ago
  also, having models that can run locally on "cheap enough" devices is also quite interesting that you more or less understand. Compared to using API in the cloud or purchasing Hikvision cameras.
  - tropshop 6y ago
    Just getting into this. Do you recommend any particular "dumb" camera devices with a quality stream?
    - homarp 6y ago
      what's your price range? indoor or outdoor? where do you want to do the inference?
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  > 2) ensure candidate X is actually candidate X and not a paid person to take the exam in name of candidate X Can you imagine the bureaucratic nightmare that would be unleashed upon yourself if "the system" decides you aren't who you say you are because of the way you aged, an injury, surgery or a few new freckles? This already happens sometimes with birth certificates and identity theft, and it's awful for those who have to experience it. I'd hate to have a black box AI inflicting that upon others for inexplicable reasons.

nitrogen 6y ago

Biometric authentication is one that comes to mind. Facial recognition running locally on my own photo library would also be useful for organizing photos. A cloud-free local-only home automation system that can tell the difference between owners/housemates/guests and customize behavior accordingly would also be nice.

sk0g 6y ago
I'm looking into YOLO for this, but it's moreso to verify your selfie == image on document, and we want to avoid sending highly sensitive information to third party providers. The current service we use, while accurate, costs 50 cents per verification... Edit: reading through this thread, if the model isn't super massive, we could offer on-browser verification! 27MB is still a hefty download though.

sterlind 6y ago

Labeling photos with who's in them, either on social media or in private image albums (creating indexes of people in your photos.) Arguably this is a front for mass surveillance, or can easily be misused for that, but the ostensible purpose is separate and benign.

canada_dry 6y ago

Here's one: identifying child soldiers. [i] https://www.pyimagesearch.com/2020/05/11/an-ethical-application-of-computer-vision-and-deep-learning-identifying-child-soldiers-through-automatic-age-and-military-fatigue-detection/ https://www.pyimagesearch.com/2020/05/11/an-ethical-applicat...

homarp 6y ago

Some compelling use: 1) assistance to recognizing people (because low vision, because memory fails, because you have a lot of photos...) 2) ensure candidate X is actually candidate X and not a paid person to take the exam in name of candidate X 3) door access control (to replace/in addition to access card) 4) having your own X-Ray (like in Amazon Prime): identify an actor/actress/model 5) having your personal robot addressing you by name

homarp 6y ago
also, having models that can run locally on "cheap enough" devices is also quite interesting that you more or less understand. Compared to using API in the cloud or purchasing Hikvision cameras.
- tropshop 6y ago
  Just getting into this. Do you recommend any particular "dumb" camera devices with a quality stream?
  - homarp 6y ago
    what's your price range? indoor or outdoor? where do you want to do the inference?
heavyset_go 6y ago
> 2) ensure candidate X is actually candidate X and not a paid person to take the exam in name of candidate X Can you imagine the bureaucratic nightmare that would be unleashed upon yourself if "the system" decides you aren't who you say you are because of the way you aged, an injury, surgery or a few new freckles? This already happens sometimes with birth certificates and identity theft, and it's awful for those who have to experience it. I'd hate to have a black box AI inflicting that upon others for inexplicable reasons.