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Is that a 30 day warranty? No thanks.

by Maha-pudma 6y ago

jagger27 6y ago
The dead pixel disclaimer bothers me too, but at this price point you really can't argue.
- fenwick67 6y ago
  Even most middle-road laptops, monitors and phones have these disclaimers in the warranties AFAIK.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    This amazes me. You could literally spend 2 grand on a machine and still be told its ok for it to be defective out of the box.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      Well, if it's a high-res display then there's a lot more pixels so a greater chance of failure. I actually really like this system and wish that I could trade-off further down the spectrum on quality. After all, to get a zero-dead-pixel device you just have to check in the second-hand market like people do for high-binned CPUs. The volume of true demand for those CPUs is high enough that there are retailers like Silicon Lottery that explicitly look out for that. It turns out that most consumers don't really want a zero-dead-pixel guarantee though.
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        >It turns out that most consumers don't really want a zero-dead-pixel guarantee though. Alternatively they just buy their displays from brick and mortar companies that allow you to return for any reason at all and just return for replacement any device that has any number of dead pixels. I've never bought a display that had any number of defective pixels in almost 3 decades of using computers I'm betting lots of people are in the same boat. Logically the price is built into whatever such places are selling them for based on some percentage of users returning anything with any number of dead pixels.
        renewiltord 6y ago
        That's awesome. I'm glad you're able to get what you want there. That explains it. I'm all for this market segmentation happening.
      - exikyut 6y ago
        From https://siliconlottery.com/collections/cometlake/products/10700k51g https://siliconlottery.com/collections/cometlake/products/10...: > As of 6/7/20, the top 20% of tested 10700K fell within our 5.1GHz bin. Interesting!
michaelmrose 6y ago
Most failures either happen shortly because something was made poorly or after >1 year which is why extended warranties are mostly garbage. Just for the sake of argument lets suppose it had a 1% chance of failing between 30 days and 1 year even though I would hope it is far less when it would normally have been covered. Assume you remedy the issue by replacing it out of pocket. Expected cost is 0.99 * 100 + 0.01 * 200 = $101 Also keep in mind that brands pay for warranty services out of profits earned from higher margin sectors and volume neither of which is applicable here.
- Maha-pudma 6y ago
  I didn't expect my comment to be popular, and it's probably going to decimate the measley 7 points I've accrued (I had 9 prior) as might this one, but I tend not to buy anything without a decent warranty. I'm certainly not buying anything that could go wrong after 30 days without any recourse other than paying to get it fixed or to buy a new one. My view about warranties are to do with the confidence the seller/manufacturer has in their product, this one doesn't endear my confidence in the product. Just my opinion but I keep holo of my electronics as long as I can. Still using a phone bought 4 years ago, laptop 8 years ago and a desktop I built 10 years ago.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Complaining about down votes usually attracts you guessed it... more down votes. I didn't down vote either your prior post or this one. I value durable things. My 8ish year old desktop just died. Both my phone and my laptop are 5 years old. On the other hand I see the value in cheap things that will be affordable to all made by small distributors that value our freedom to use our devices. Everything in life is some degree of trade off and I see room for this one.
    - Maha-pudma 6y ago
      Im not complaining, I'm expecting it; and I'm not fussed either, I don't care about internet points. Down vote away it bothers me not.

Is that a 30 day warranty? No thanks.

jagger27 6y ago

The dead pixel disclaimer bothers me too, but at this price point you really can't argue.

fenwick67 6y ago
Even most middle-road laptops, monitors and phones have these disclaimers in the warranties AFAIK.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  This amazes me. You could literally spend 2 grand on a machine and still be told its ok for it to be defective out of the box.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Well, if it's a high-res display then there's a lot more pixels so a greater chance of failure. I actually really like this system and wish that I could trade-off further down the spectrum on quality. After all, to get a zero-dead-pixel device you just have to check in the second-hand market like people do for high-binned CPUs. The volume of true demand for those CPUs is high enough that there are retailers like Silicon Lottery that explicitly look out for that. It turns out that most consumers don't really want a zero-dead-pixel guarantee though.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      >It turns out that most consumers don't really want a zero-dead-pixel guarantee though. Alternatively they just buy their displays from brick and mortar companies that allow you to return for any reason at all and just return for replacement any device that has any number of dead pixels. I've never bought a display that had any number of defective pixels in almost 3 decades of using computers I'm betting lots of people are in the same boat. Logically the price is built into whatever such places are selling them for based on some percentage of users returning anything with any number of dead pixels.
      - renewiltord 6y ago
        That's awesome. I'm glad you're able to get what you want there. That explains it. I'm all for this market segmentation happening.
    - exikyut 6y ago
      From https://siliconlottery.com/collections/cometlake/products/10700k51g https://siliconlottery.com/collections/cometlake/products/10...: > As of 6/7/20, the top 20% of tested 10700K fell within our 5.1GHz bin. Interesting!

michaelmrose 6y ago

Most failures either happen shortly because something was made poorly or after >1 year which is why extended warranties are mostly garbage. Just for the sake of argument lets suppose it had a 1% chance of failing between 30 days and 1 year even though I would hope it is far less when it would normally have been covered. Assume you remedy the issue by replacing it out of pocket. Expected cost is 0.99 * 100 + 0.01 * 200 = $101 Also keep in mind that brands pay for warranty services out of profits earned from higher margin sectors and volume neither of which is applicable here.

Maha-pudma 6y ago
I didn't expect my comment to be popular, and it's probably going to decimate the measley 7 points I've accrued (I had 9 prior) as might this one, but I tend not to buy anything without a decent warranty. I'm certainly not buying anything that could go wrong after 30 days without any recourse other than paying to get it fixed or to buy a new one. My view about warranties are to do with the confidence the seller/manufacturer has in their product, this one doesn't endear my confidence in the product. Just my opinion but I keep holo of my electronics as long as I can. Still using a phone bought 4 years ago, laptop 8 years ago and a desktop I built 10 years ago.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Complaining about down votes usually attracts you guessed it... more down votes. I didn't down vote either your prior post or this one. I value durable things. My 8ish year old desktop just died. Both my phone and my laptop are 5 years old. On the other hand I see the value in cheap things that will be affordable to all made by small distributors that value our freedom to use our devices. Everything in life is some degree of trade off and I see room for this one.
  - Maha-pudma 6y ago
    Im not complaining, I'm expecting it; and I'm not fussed either, I don't care about internet points. Down vote away it bothers me not.