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I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thre

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was decisive, with D-Day being the turning point, that ultimately brought the victory over Nazis. When someone dares to notice, that there were Kursk and Stalingrad in 1943 and a full-on race to Berlin quite some time before the first American troops even landed on Omaha beach, the official propaganda dismisses all evidence or smears the Russian side: like, yeah, sure, they helped a lot, no shit, but it was only possible, because Red Army was overrunning German tanks with millions of vodka-infused unarmed savages, who were machinegunned in the back by commissars, oh, and don't forget lend-lease and food, that US was providing to Russia, otherwise Hitler would have taken Leningrad in 1941...yadda-yadda Adequate people tend to understand, that any such collective fight (conquering space is also a real fight) is collaborative, and every party plays an important role. Denigrating former allies after the fight is finished is behaving not like a human, but like an ape. It's equally disgusting to see this happen both on Russian and on American side.

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Koshkin 6y ago
Well, a war is a war, even when it's a cold one, and propaganda is an important weapon (disgusting as it may be).
iaml 6y ago
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure sizeable chunk of that is coming from russians who are very annoyed nothing good can ever happen in modern russia because of people like Rogozin.
- Nginx487 6y ago
  Unfortunately, not just "nothing happens", actually happens lots of disappointing and disturbing things. I do not wish people like Rogozin achieve anything, because any achievement would be ultimately turned against us, people they genuinely consider their enemies.
brutt 6y ago
Someone tends to forgot that Germany and Soviet Union started WWWII by joint attack on Poland. Soviet nazi had same color as German nazi.
- yostrovs 6y ago
  They also forgot Japan and Italy existed back then.
hangonhn 6y ago
The reason the history is so biased against the Russians in the US is because it was written by German generals. They ended up doing two things: 1. Absolving themselves of any guilt or mistake. It's all Hitler's fault. :rolleyes: 2. The Russians only won because of luck, winter, and unlimited manpower. Franz Halder ended up getting the second highest American civilian honor for writing that history. Of course, we asked him to do it because we wanted to learn what they know so we can be better prepared against the USSR. However, we were so naive and just believed him completely. There's been a recent movement among US historians to reexamine that period and a lot of old myths we had about the USSR' role in WWII is being rejected. It's going to take a while for that to trickle out into the public. I just wish more people knew of the immense sacrifices the people of the USSR made during that war.
- atomashpolskiy 6y ago
  I read (among others) Tippelskirch's History of the WWII, and it's pretty objective. I don't think you can blame Germans for the anti-USSR propaganda, considering that it was the US, who was having their skin in the game (Cold War, started by corrupt politicians, bought by big business and financiers) after the war has ended.
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Nginx487 6y ago
This thread is a discussion of a particular article of a particular hysterical Russian official. You're trying to turn it into a clown show in a Roskosmos Twitter style: "We are Russians, god with us", "We did not start WWII in 1939", proving most of commentators here right. Glad you joined us on HN, Mr.Rogozin.
- atomashpolskiy 6y ago
  Comments here are going very far beyond discussing a "particular article", including you specifically, who is a (maybe former) Russian citizen. Replying to you feels like stepping in a pile of crap, but God asked us to be kind and wise, so I'll tolerate my disgust for a moment and tell you: Please, be ashamed of youself. And STFU.
  - Nginx487 6y ago
    Looks like your god asked you lots of other things. He asked your fascist state to hate your neighbors for belonging to other nationality and (unfortunatel) being weaker than you, asked you to kill them, steal their homes, destroy their culture. He asked you to hate with a hysterical, medieval hatered successful countries like the US (which is probably responsible for all your problems according to state propaganda), threatening to turn them "into the nuclear dust" (say hello to Mr.Kiselev). He asked you to hate your ethnic minorities, forbid them to learn their mother tongue and their culture - you teach them New Russian History instead, with "Stalin the Effective Manager". He asked you to throw into prison everyone who had courage to tell the truth about your neo-nazi state, and hate everyone for being wrong color, faith, sexual orientation, political views or hating just someone. You are right, I'm a former Russian citizen. I did not renounce my citizenship, I just do not recognize our totalitarian regime as a legitimate state.
    - dang 6y ago
      Using HN for flamewar like this will get you banned here, so please don't. More generally, please stop posting nationalistic flamebait to HN. You've unfortunately done that quite a bit, and it's not ok. I understand that being an immigrant from a country is a special case, more complex than simple prejudice, but the internet doesn't handle such nuances. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Koshkin 6y ago

Well, a war is a war, even when it's a cold one, and propaganda is an important weapon (disgusting as it may be).

iaml 6y ago

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure sizeable chunk of that is coming from russians who are very annoyed nothing good can ever happen in modern russia because of people like Rogozin.

Nginx487 6y ago
Unfortunately, not just "nothing happens", actually happens lots of disappointing and disturbing things. I do not wish people like Rogozin achieve anything, because any achievement would be ultimately turned against us, people they genuinely consider their enemies.

brutt 6y ago

Someone tends to forgot that Germany and Soviet Union started WWWII by joint attack on Poland. Soviet nazi had same color as German nazi.

yostrovs 6y ago
They also forgot Japan and Italy existed back then.

hangonhn 6y ago

The reason the history is so biased against the Russians in the US is because it was written by German generals. They ended up doing two things: 1. Absolving themselves of any guilt or mistake. It's all Hitler's fault. :rolleyes: 2. The Russians only won because of luck, winter, and unlimited manpower. Franz Halder ended up getting the second highest American civilian honor for writing that history. Of course, we asked him to do it because we wanted to learn what they know so we can be better prepared against the USSR. However, we were so naive and just believed him completely. There's been a recent movement among US historians to reexamine that period and a lot of old myths we had about the USSR' role in WWII is being rejected. It's going to take a while for that to trickle out into the public. I just wish more people knew of the immense sacrifices the people of the USSR made during that war.

atomashpolskiy 6y ago
I read (among others) Tippelskirch's History of the WWII, and it's pretty objective. I don't think you can blame Germans for the anti-USSR propaganda, considering that it was the US, who was having their skin in the game (Cold War, started by corrupt politicians, bought by big business and financiers) after the war has ended.

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Nginx487 6y ago

This thread is a discussion of a particular article of a particular hysterical Russian official. You're trying to turn it into a clown show in a Roskosmos Twitter style: "We are Russians, god with us", "We did not start WWII in 1939", proving most of commentators here right. Glad you joined us on HN, Mr.Rogozin.

atomashpolskiy 6y ago
Comments here are going very far beyond discussing a "particular article", including you specifically, who is a (maybe former) Russian citizen. Replying to you feels like stepping in a pile of crap, but God asked us to be kind and wise, so I'll tolerate my disgust for a moment and tell you: Please, be ashamed of youself. And STFU.
- Nginx487 6y ago
  Looks like your god asked you lots of other things. He asked your fascist state to hate your neighbors for belonging to other nationality and (unfortunatel) being weaker than you, asked you to kill them, steal their homes, destroy their culture. He asked you to hate with a hysterical, medieval hatered successful countries like the US (which is probably responsible for all your problems according to state propaganda), threatening to turn them "into the nuclear dust" (say hello to Mr.Kiselev). He asked you to hate your ethnic minorities, forbid them to learn their mother tongue and their culture - you teach them New Russian History instead, with "Stalin the Effective Manager". He asked you to throw into prison everyone who had courage to tell the truth about your neo-nazi state, and hate everyone for being wrong color, faith, sexual orientation, political views or hating just someone. You are right, I'm a former Russian citizen. I did not renounce my citizenship, I just do not recognize our totalitarian regime as a legitimate state.
  - dang 6y ago
    Using HN for flamewar like this will get you banned here, so please don't. More generally, please stop posting nationalistic flamebait to HN. You've unfortunately done that quite a bit, and it's not ok. I understand that being an immigrant from a country is a special case, more complex than simple prejudice, but the internet doesn't handle such nuances. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html