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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii6lAjgfW3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii6lAjgfW3c If this functionality was demoed by Apple on a new $999 "MacPad Pro" there would be arguments over if it was the end of the PC and the beginning of the next generation of computing, a leap like the smartphone revolution. Edits: price, s/this/this functionality/ I took this out of context (sorry), it's a very pre-production device that has received a lot of work since then and will receive much more. https://www.pine64.org/2020/05/15/may-update-pinetab-pre-orders-pinephone-qi-charging-more/ https://www.pine64.org/2020/05/15/may-update-pinetab-pre-ord...

KuiN 6y ago
It's really cool, but my main takeaway from that video was multi-second input lag and you can see several times when he's dragging things around the computer doesn't do what he's expecting. It's a cool tech demo but I don't see how it's going to change the world like that.
- boogies 6y ago
  Agreed. I think Apple would have made a device with maybe 4 times the specs (eg. 8 Gb RAM instead of 2) and ten times the price (edited the parent to reflect that) and kept it top secret until right before release. There's still hope that this will eventually be polished to perfection, but it will probably take years of revisions.
zozbot234 6y ago
Meh, I don't know. It looks clunky in lots of ways, the GNOME3 UX feels a lot cleaner and more intuitive. Hopefully future GNOME versions will be able to run usefully on 2GB RAM. Or perhaps MATE and Xfce will adopt some of the same touch-friendly interaction principles.
deergomoo 6y ago
Are we watching the same video? This is basically no different to what you get on any Windows convertible (though the tablet-mode interactions are closer to the iPad), except way, way jankier.
- chrismorgan 6y ago
  Nah, that’s way higher latency than my Surface Book (which is a much more powerful machine, but is also driving a 3000×2000 display) gets. That video is at 25fps, and exhibits latencies of 7–8 frames (~300ms) on scrolling a web page, and 9–12 frames (~400ms) on resizing windows. I can’t measure latency accurately on my device at present, but I estimate that I’m getting around 50ms of latency in both of those scenarios. (Oh, I guess you were talking about the functionality, not the latency. Ah well, I’ll leave this comment up anyway.)
djrogers 6y ago
Uhh, that looks... Horrible. And I say that as someone typing this on a keyboard attached tablet right now - I love keyboard attached tablets, but that looks janky and laggy as heck. Apple would be KILLED if they released anything with that much touch lag.
- embrassingstuff 6y ago
  Which tablet/keyboard combination are you happiest with ? I really want something that I hold on my lap for some emails. Most models have that back supporting leg which is for table use only.
  - Lex-2008 6y ago
    not OP, but I obtained a Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard and planning to use it together with PineTab
  - paulcole 6y ago
    The iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is incredible. If you can get past the astronomical cost, it’s so worth it. The biggest difference is that the Magic Keyboard never fails. Not like it works 95% of the time or even 99% of the time. 100% of the time it types when you expect it to, connects when you want it to, disconnects easily, doesn’t double inputs or skip inputs. There’s nothing I would change about it.
    - zrobotics 6y ago
      Surface pro keyboard is also incredible--this is coming from someone who used thinkpads for over a decade and has a model M attached to his desktop. It isn't as good as a proper mechanical keyboard, but I'm nearly as fast and accurate on the surface type cover as on a proper keyboard. To the parent- the surface works fine on a lap, provided you use a case with a solid kickstand (the stand on the actual tablet wants to fold in far too easily). For reference, the reason I abandoned the thinkpad is that I am managing a warehouse and spend ~50% of my day using the surface either standing, on my lap, or haphazardly resting on a pallet of product. I wanted something light and portable, I haven't regretted the tablet decision yet. I seriously considered iPad, but unfortunately it is essentially a phone OS. Win10 isn't the greatest, but it is a full-fledged OS for real work. My only gripe is that it isn't 100% touch optimized, so I can barely use the surface if I don't have the keyboard attached. Oh, and I do dearly miss the trackpoint. However, the keyboard has been great, and with WSL I don't really have any issues with getting the development side of my job done either. I have had a /. account long enough to be considered slightly 'rabid', but as much as it pains me to say Microsoft have made an excellent product.

KuiN 6y ago

It's really cool, but my main takeaway from that video was multi-second input lag and you can see several times when he's dragging things around the computer doesn't do what he's expecting. It's a cool tech demo but I don't see how it's going to change the world like that.

boogies 6y ago
Agreed. I think Apple would have made a device with maybe 4 times the specs (eg. 8 Gb RAM instead of 2) and ten times the price (edited the parent to reflect that) and kept it top secret until right before release. There's still hope that this will eventually be polished to perfection, but it will probably take years of revisions.

zozbot234 6y ago

Meh, I don't know. It looks clunky in lots of ways, the GNOME3 UX feels a lot cleaner and more intuitive. Hopefully future GNOME versions will be able to run usefully on 2GB RAM. Or perhaps MATE and Xfce will adopt some of the same touch-friendly interaction principles.

deergomoo 6y ago

Are we watching the same video? This is basically no different to what you get on any Windows convertible (though the tablet-mode interactions are closer to the iPad), except way, way jankier.

chrismorgan 6y ago
Nah, that’s way higher latency than my Surface Book (which is a much more powerful machine, but is also driving a 3000×2000 display) gets. That video is at 25fps, and exhibits latencies of 7–8 frames (~300ms) on scrolling a web page, and 9–12 frames (~400ms) on resizing windows. I can’t measure latency accurately on my device at present, but I estimate that I’m getting around 50ms of latency in both of those scenarios. (Oh, I guess you were talking about the functionality, not the latency. Ah well, I’ll leave this comment up anyway.)

djrogers 6y ago

Uhh, that looks... Horrible. And I say that as someone typing this on a keyboard attached tablet right now - I love keyboard attached tablets, but that looks janky and laggy as heck. Apple would be KILLED if they released anything with that much touch lag.

embrassingstuff 6y ago
Which tablet/keyboard combination are you happiest with ? I really want something that I hold on my lap for some emails. Most models have that back supporting leg which is for table use only.
- Lex-2008 6y ago
  not OP, but I obtained a Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard and planning to use it together with PineTab
- paulcole 6y ago
  The iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is incredible. If you can get past the astronomical cost, it’s so worth it. The biggest difference is that the Magic Keyboard never fails. Not like it works 95% of the time or even 99% of the time. 100% of the time it types when you expect it to, connects when you want it to, disconnects easily, doesn’t double inputs or skip inputs. There’s nothing I would change about it.
  - zrobotics 6y ago
    Surface pro keyboard is also incredible--this is coming from someone who used thinkpads for over a decade and has a model M attached to his desktop. It isn't as good as a proper mechanical keyboard, but I'm nearly as fast and accurate on the surface type cover as on a proper keyboard. To the parent- the surface works fine on a lap, provided you use a case with a solid kickstand (the stand on the actual tablet wants to fold in far too easily). For reference, the reason I abandoned the thinkpad is that I am managing a warehouse and spend ~50% of my day using the surface either standing, on my lap, or haphazardly resting on a pallet of product. I wanted something light and portable, I haven't regretted the tablet decision yet. I seriously considered iPad, but unfortunately it is essentially a phone OS. Win10 isn't the greatest, but it is a full-fledged OS for real work. My only gripe is that it isn't 100% touch optimized, so I can barely use the surface if I don't have the keyboard attached. Oh, and I do dearly miss the trackpoint. However, the keyboard has been great, and with WSL I don't really have any issues with getting the development side of my job done either. I have had a /. account long enough to be considered slightly 'rabid', but as much as it pains me to say Microsoft have made an excellent product.