> A completely different, but much more enjoyable environment and much more friendly people. You must have found a neat subculture in Java - not been my experi

> A completely different, but much more enjoyable environment and much more friendly people. You must have found a neat subculture in Java - not been my experience at all. The "shared agreement" thing - I've moved between multiple Java environments over the years, and there's never any agreement between companies on the 'right' way to do Java. Open communities in Java - I've often felt they require a huge amount of tribal knowledge of their 'ways' before they'll deign to answer questions in helpful ways. Mention that you can do X in perl or php or ruby, and you're often dismissed out of hand.