4 ms·
Economists people who believe in infinite growth in finite world. They made up Nobel in Economics to pretend to be scientists. They might start wearing mystic
by me_me_me 6y ago
Economists people who believe in infinite growth in finite world.
They made up Nobel in Economics to pretend to be scientists.
They might start wearing mystical robes and give themselves funny titles. Since they are as useful at guessing how economy works and how to steer as other 'officials' who wear mystical robes and have funny titles. Both are also always 100% they are right about everything.
Sorry about ranting, reading about climate change always puts me in depressing mood.
- rayiner 6y agoThe economics of climate change aren’t about prognostication. The climate scientists produce projections about impacts on, e.g. agriculture. Economists simply estimate what the economic impacts would be if those impacts in those economic sectors happened.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoMany economists and politicians were deaf to the phrase 'tipping point'. Again, they chose not to hear it.
- rayiner 6y agoThe tipping point analysis is encapsulated into the IPCC projections the economists are relying on. If by "tipping point" you mean "runaway" effects--IPCC scientists have not embraced such effects as likely.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoThat's simple garbage. IPCC have been warning about tipping points. Here's a recent one https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252 https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252 The ipcc has warned of exactly those runaway effects.
- xyzzyz 6y agoWhy would IPCC then write in their report that runaway effects are unlikely?
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoIf they had, I'd be wrong. Please quote where they said that.
- rayiner 6y agoThe IPCC has addressed many "tipping points" that don't lead to civilization-ending consequences: https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-3 https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-3. The IPCC's Fifth Report stated that a "runaway greenhouse"-type outcome was virtually impossible.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoThat there are tipping points that don't do not preclude tipping points that plausibly do. > The IPCC's Fifth Report stated that a "runaway greenhouse"-type outcome was virtually impossible. WHERE? doc URL and page number or searchable extract please.
- rayiner 6y agohttps://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/inf3-6.pdf https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/inf3-6.pdf Page 90 first full paragraph.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoYou completely misunderstand (or misrepresent) that para. ...“runaway greenhouse effect”—analogous to Venus... From wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus) "Venus is by far the hottest planet in the Solar System, with a mean surface temperature of 735 K (462 °C; 863 °F)" So they don't expect the earth's surface to become hot enough to literally melt lead (327 °C) by a large margin. Neither do I. Hint: it doesn't need to get anywhere near that extreme before we're dead. The rest of that para does actually list some "unacceptable" and "dangerous" irreversible impacts (selective quote for space:) "For example, stability of thermohaline circulation or the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) or the Greenland ice sheet, the mobilization of biospheric CO 2 stocks, changes in the Asian summer monsoons, loss of mountain glaciers, coral reefs"