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When a lady cardinal is being wooed by a couple of bright red guy cardinals and she eventually chooses one, we call that nature. When humans do this, we get our

When a lady cardinal is being wooed by a couple of bright red guy cardinals and she eventually chooses one, we call that nature. When humans do this, we get our feathers ruffled. Strange.

metalliqaz 6y ago
What are you talking about? My feathers aren't ruffled. I consider them both nature. I think it says a lot about HN culture that the mere mention of 'women' makes people automatically assume I must be some kind of misogynistic basement-dweller. These days it's "the pickup game", before that it was "dating", before that it was "courting", and on and on back through the ages. Sure, men can play hard to get, but everyone knows that males tend to pursue females. It's not controversial. It's just the way we're wired, likely due to our biology and the consequences of reproduction for each sex.
logicprog 6y ago
Because humans have a choice in it. Women can choose not to do it, the female cardinal can't, it's just an indelible part of their mating ritual and instincts. Ought implies can - there's no reason to be angry at someone for something if they can't help it. In addition, female cardinals do that ritual because it's a way of filtering for mates without conscious/rational assessment and communication... something which human women are entirely capable of, so they don't need wacky evolutionary tricks to do it. But also, the GP doesn't seem to have his feathers ruffled anyway, so it looks like you're just searching for some offense here.
- chooseaname 6y ago
  > Because humans have a choice in it. This is the assumption. (Most)Women nest when a child is on the way. That's an involuntary behavior. Why can't there be some involuntary behavior associated with choosing a mate? And I'm not searching for some offense. I keyed off the OP saying "Game", but I don't feel they particularly had their feathers ruffled.
  - logicprog 6y ago
    Right, there are indeed involuntary behaviors. But I think there are plenty of examples of women that choose not to play hard-to-get - if it was involuntary we would have no, or vanishingly few, examples. If "voluntary" means anything - and I'm not talking about free will vs determinism here - this is one of those behaviors that is indeed voluntary.

When a lady cardinal is being wooed by a couple of bright red guy cardinals and she eventually chooses one, we call that nature. When humans do this, we get our feathers ruffled. Strange.

metalliqaz 6y ago

What are you talking about? My feathers aren't ruffled. I consider them both nature. I think it says a lot about HN culture that the mere mention of 'women' makes people automatically assume I must be some kind of misogynistic basement-dweller. These days it's "the pickup game", before that it was "dating", before that it was "courting", and on and on back through the ages. Sure, men can play hard to get, but everyone knows that males tend to pursue females. It's not controversial. It's just the way we're wired, likely due to our biology and the consequences of reproduction for each sex.

logicprog 6y ago

Because humans have a choice in it. Women can choose not to do it, the female cardinal can't, it's just an indelible part of their mating ritual and instincts. Ought implies can - there's no reason to be angry at someone for something if they can't help it. In addition, female cardinals do that ritual because it's a way of filtering for mates without conscious/rational assessment and communication... something which human women are entirely capable of, so they don't need wacky evolutionary tricks to do it. But also, the GP doesn't seem to have his feathers ruffled anyway, so it looks like you're just searching for some offense here.

chooseaname 6y ago
> Because humans have a choice in it. This is the assumption. (Most)Women nest when a child is on the way. That's an involuntary behavior. Why can't there be some involuntary behavior associated with choosing a mate? And I'm not searching for some offense. I keyed off the OP saying "Game", but I don't feel they particularly had their feathers ruffled.
- logicprog 6y ago
  Right, there are indeed involuntary behaviors. But I think there are plenty of examples of women that choose not to play hard-to-get - if it was involuntary we would have no, or vanishingly few, examples. If "voluntary" means anything - and I'm not talking about free will vs determinism here - this is one of those behaviors that is indeed voluntary.