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I can't remember ever written to go back in time. Again, typical neoliberal newspeak. Either you are irrational or reactionary. And your glorified advances in

I can't remember ever written to go back in time. Again, typical neoliberal newspeak. Either you are irrational or reactionary. And your glorified advances in theory and science were...mostly financed with public money. Just look at your smartphone. Try to find something that wasn't financed by the state (in this case the USA, that is, their taxpayers). And I don't mean the design but the most important parts: LCD, Touchscreen, the operating system (Unix came from...where?...Bell Labs), and all the many sensors. Another neoliberal illusion is the "visionary entrepreneur".

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
Sorry, was talking about my digression - the persecution complex. Which is real and very evident. And must have a reason (beyond everyone being irrational or reactionary). Sure public money is tangentially involved in everything sciencey, because private industry has a terrible time financing science. But one reason the public finances science, is so industry can grow and thrive and remain competitive. Imagine the other approach: the government 'owns' every innovation and controls industry. Not a pretty situation. Btw Bell Labs, not strictly funded by the public. And no phone runs on Unix today. Never mind 'linux' is spelled sort of the same, they are different animals.
- brakmic 6y ago
  Bell Labs was highly regulated, a state-owned monopoly. You can read more about it in "UNIX: A History and a Memoir" from Brian Kernighan. And of course would Linus Thorvalds have created Linux without having known anything about Unix. LOL. Regarding "innovation" in the industry: it's just another neoliberal fairy tale. An industry that doesn't risk their money in funding research (especially basic research) is neither an industry nor innovative. We need another term for (yet another) neoliberal illusion.
  - scottlocklin 6y ago
    > Bell Labs was highly regulated, a state-owned monopoly. I basically agree with what you're saying about neoliberalism, but Bell Labs was never a state owned monopoly, nor was it ever run like one.
macintux 6y ago
Of your several comments, this is the only one that appears to have any actual content to discuss, and it’s still wrapped in argumentative name-calling. Could you start over with a new thread describing what you think is wrong with the article, how you disagree, but without the use of “neoliberal” and related labels?
- brakmic 6y ago
  Nope. Neoliberalism is what we should be talking about. Anything else is just avoiding the elephant in the room.
  - macintux 6y ago
    Ok, but still a coherent critique of it would be helpful. This is not useful: > If there's one thing that's certain, then it's that neoliberalism always strives to destroy history and prevent any change.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

Sorry, was talking about my digression - the persecution complex. Which is real and very evident. And must have a reason (beyond everyone being irrational or reactionary). Sure public money is tangentially involved in everything sciencey, because private industry has a terrible time financing science. But one reason the public finances science, is so industry can grow and thrive and remain competitive. Imagine the other approach: the government 'owns' every innovation and controls industry. Not a pretty situation. Btw Bell Labs, not strictly funded by the public. And no phone runs on Unix today. Never mind 'linux' is spelled sort of the same, they are different animals.

brakmic 6y ago
Bell Labs was highly regulated, a state-owned monopoly. You can read more about it in "UNIX: A History and a Memoir" from Brian Kernighan. And of course would Linus Thorvalds have created Linux without having known anything about Unix. LOL. Regarding "innovation" in the industry: it's just another neoliberal fairy tale. An industry that doesn't risk their money in funding research (especially basic research) is neither an industry nor innovative. We need another term for (yet another) neoliberal illusion.
- scottlocklin 6y ago
  > Bell Labs was highly regulated, a state-owned monopoly. I basically agree with what you're saying about neoliberalism, but Bell Labs was never a state owned monopoly, nor was it ever run like one.

macintux 6y ago

Of your several comments, this is the only one that appears to have any actual content to discuss, and it’s still wrapped in argumentative name-calling. Could you start over with a new thread describing what you think is wrong with the article, how you disagree, but without the use of “neoliberal” and related labels?

brakmic 6y ago
Nope. Neoliberalism is what we should be talking about. Anything else is just avoiding the elephant in the room.
- macintux 6y ago
  Ok, but still a coherent critique of it would be helpful. This is not useful: > If there's one thing that's certain, then it's that neoliberalism always strives to destroy history and prevent any change.