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Telemetry is Spyware (see their screenshots) now? You might dislike telemetry but finding out if and how software fails is an entirely different thing from watc

by nailer 6y ago

Telemetry is Spyware (see their screenshots) now? You might dislike telemetry but finding out if and how software fails is an entirely different thing from watching you to deliberately invade your privacy.

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nlitened 6y ago
I think it’s reasonable to let the user decide.
bravoetch 6y ago
Yes, telemetry is spyware when it's enabled by default. If you don't think this is a privacy invasion, please consider that many people take the opposite view.
- nailer 6y ago
  You're considering everything which impacts privacy to be spyware. Spyware has a definition. You don't get to change it.
  - chopin 6y ago
    Being curios, I looked up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware. In my book Windows 10 fulfills what is listed there.
    - nailer 6y ago
      > aims to gather information about a person or organization Telemetry doesn't aim to do this.
iphone_elegance 6y ago
It's not spyware, software has just gotten so bloated/bad and project management so clueless that we really need to broadcast everything you do and everything that goes wrong back to the mothership
- som33 6y ago
  No, they are not clueless, they've been stealing software since the late 90's with mmo's. They wouldn't be celebrating your cluelessness, they are talking about a "revolution", aka a revolution in the publics cluelessness about software ownership. Why does ANY piece of software need a remote computer in order to function? https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_Vision_V2.pdf https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_V...
tinus_hn 6y ago
Then I suggest you keep it turned on on your installations. Thank you!
- nailer 6y ago
  That's not a solution to the issue mentioned: the software author lying.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    Having a different opinion is not lying. If you are comfortable with having telemetry snooping around on your computer, feel free to allow it. You may feel that is not spying but others feel it is and that is a different opinion, not a lie.
    - nailer 6y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23476028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23476028
gnud 6y ago
If it truly is nothing to worry about, then make the data easy to inspect, and the collection easy to turn off. The data is close to impossible to inspect, and impossible to turn off without third-party tools or firewalls. So I suspect there's something to worry about.
- hendersoon 6y ago
  MS is completely transparent about their telemetry these days with their diagnostic data viewer app. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8wtrrsq8f7?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8... You are correct in that they do not permit users to turn it off on Windows 10 Home and Pro, which is egregious and offensive.

by nailer 6y ago

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nlitened 6y ago

I think it’s reasonable to let the user decide.

bravoetch 6y ago

Yes, telemetry is spyware when it's enabled by default. If you don't think this is a privacy invasion, please consider that many people take the opposite view.

nailer 6y ago
You're considering everything which impacts privacy to be spyware. Spyware has a definition. You don't get to change it.
- chopin 6y ago
  Being curios, I looked up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware. In my book Windows 10 fulfills what is listed there.
  - nailer 6y ago
    > aims to gather information about a person or organization Telemetry doesn't aim to do this.

iphone_elegance 6y ago

It's not spyware, software has just gotten so bloated/bad and project management so clueless that we really need to broadcast everything you do and everything that goes wrong back to the mothership

som33 6y ago
No, they are not clueless, they've been stealing software since the late 90's with mmo's. They wouldn't be celebrating your cluelessness, they are talking about a "revolution", aka a revolution in the publics cluelessness about software ownership. Why does ANY piece of software need a remote computer in order to function? https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_Vision_V2.pdf https://tifca.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ClienttoCloud_V...

tinus_hn 6y ago

Then I suggest you keep it turned on on your installations. Thank you!

nailer 6y ago
That's not a solution to the issue mentioned: the software author lying.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  Having a different opinion is not lying. If you are comfortable with having telemetry snooping around on your computer, feel free to allow it. You may feel that is not spying but others feel it is and that is a different opinion, not a lie.
  - nailer 6y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23476028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23476028

gnud 6y ago

If it truly is nothing to worry about, then make the data easy to inspect, and the collection easy to turn off. The data is close to impossible to inspect, and impossible to turn off without third-party tools or firewalls. So I suspect there's something to worry about.

hendersoon 6y ago
MS is completely transparent about their telemetry these days with their diagnostic data viewer app. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8wtrrsq8f7?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8... You are correct in that they do not permit users to turn it off on Windows 10 Home and Pro, which is egregious and offensive.