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Honestly, I dont think so. I think they mostly use our code. If you look on github, there are a bunch of chinnese repos. But there arent state of the art implem

Honestly, I dont think so. I think they mostly use our code. If you look on github, there are a bunch of chinnese repos. But there arent state of the art implementations of things like distributed queues that are better than what we have

eeh 6y ago
> Honestly, I dont think so. Your honesty is appreciated. Facts are welcome too. > I think they mostly use our code. What's "our code"? The strongly connected set of open source software that happens to be written in English?
- logicslave 6y ago
  Our code means code written by individuals working within the USA or at an American Institution. I work in machine learning research and keep up with all of the top papers. I have exited on an ml startup that I founded. Very few coming out of china are top papers. Anyone can publish to arxiv. Measuring whether a model is state of the art is incredibly complex, overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Its also ridiculous that I am being downvoted.
  - dt123 6y ago
    you know there are plenty of Hacker News readers in countries other than the US right?...
  - eeh 6y ago
    > Our code means code written by individuals working within the USA or at an American Institution. USA occasionally has a reputation for being insular, but I'm happy to see you bucking the trend and embracing institutes across the continent of America. I suppose I'm reading too much into why "an American Institute" gets capitalised but "china" or "chinnese" does not? > overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Are your conclusions the result of having overfit to the software/research in your field you've looked at? I don't know either way, but forgive me if I sense a tiny bit of bias.
tcbasche 6y ago
> If you look on github, there are a bunch of chinnese repos. But there arent state of the art implementations of things Wow, I'm impressed! Such a unique skill! I've never heard anyone do this! Be able to judge the implementation of an entire group of Github repo's grouped by language! Can you do Japanese repo's next?
- logicslave 6y ago
  I've spent a significant portion of my life on github...
- quasimodem 6y ago
  repos
- logicslave 6y ago
  I work in machine learning research and keep up with all of the top papers. I have exited on an ml startup that I founded. Very few coming out of china are top papers. Anyone can publish to arxiv. Measuring whether a model is state of the art is incredibly complex, overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Its also ridiculous that I am being downvoted.
fxtentacle 6y ago
Most of the state of the art AI papers have Chinese researchers on them. Also, the speech recognition that Mozilla is building is a reimplementation of Chinese research done by Baidu.
- logicslave 6y ago
  Yeah but they arent coming out of China. Those are chinnese researchers based out of the united states.
  - fxtentacle 6y ago
    Here's the optical flow paper considered worldwide state of the art for drone navigation: https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.13045 https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.13045 4x Zhejiang University, Hangzhou, China 6x Tencent's Youtu Lab, Shenzhen, China Before that was released, the previous state of the art was: https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09117 https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09117 3x The Chinese University of Hong Kong 1x Tencent AI Lab, Shenzhen, China In Sintel, a benchmark performed by a German university, both of these also rank higher than the highest-ranked research team including a US citizen. It may not be what people want to hear and/or it maybe an issue of cheating, industry espionage, or global politics, but Chinese research teams ARE world-class at computer vision and have been for at least a year now.
    - logicslave 6y ago
      I work in machine learning research and keep up with all of the top papers. I have exited on an ml startup that I founded. Very few coming out of china are top papers. Anyone can publish to arxiv. Measuring whether a model is state of the art is incredibly complex, overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Its also ridiculous that I am being downvoted.
      - fxtentacle 6y ago
        The papers that are cited are said to be state of the art by an unrelated German university. But I'll give you that overfitting is an issue, especially on Sintel. Still, I did work with selflow myself and it is one of the best. The only issue is with thin objects, but skydio (us startup) is having exactly the same problem.
quickthrower2 6y ago
Quite an extrapolation from: 1. No infrastructure related code with a Chinese language .md file on an American open source site that passes the filters that (a) you have seen it, and (b) that is better in your opinion than what "we" (US?) has to 2. There isn't a universe of software from China we don't see"

eeh 6y ago

> Honestly, I dont think so. Your honesty is appreciated. Facts are welcome too. > I think they mostly use our code. What's "our code"? The strongly connected set of open source software that happens to be written in English?

logicslave 6y ago
Our code means code written by individuals working within the USA or at an American Institution. I work in machine learning research and keep up with all of the top papers. I have exited on an ml startup that I founded. Very few coming out of china are top papers. Anyone can publish to arxiv. Measuring whether a model is state of the art is incredibly complex, overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Its also ridiculous that I am being downvoted.
- dt123 6y ago
  you know there are plenty of Hacker News readers in countries other than the US right?...
- eeh 6y ago
  > Our code means code written by individuals working within the USA or at an American Institution. USA occasionally has a reputation for being insular, but I'm happy to see you bucking the trend and embracing institutes across the continent of America. I suppose I'm reading too much into why "an American Institute" gets capitalised but "china" or "chinnese" does not? > overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Are your conclusions the result of having overfit to the software/research in your field you've looked at? I don't know either way, but forgive me if I sense a tiny bit of bias.

tcbasche 6y ago

> If you look on github, there are a bunch of chinnese repos. But there arent state of the art implementations of things Wow, I'm impressed! Such a unique skill! I've never heard anyone do this! Be able to judge the implementation of an entire group of Github repo's grouped by language! Can you do Japanese repo's next?

logicslave 6y ago
I've spent a significant portion of my life on github...
quasimodem 6y ago
repos
logicslave 6y ago
I work in machine learning research and keep up with all of the top papers. I have exited on an ml startup that I founded. Very few coming out of china are top papers. Anyone can publish to arxiv. Measuring whether a model is state of the art is incredibly complex, overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Its also ridiculous that I am being downvoted.

fxtentacle 6y ago

Most of the state of the art AI papers have Chinese researchers on them. Also, the speech recognition that Mozilla is building is a reimplementation of Chinese research done by Baidu.

logicslave 6y ago
Yeah but they arent coming out of China. Those are chinnese researchers based out of the united states.
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  Here's the optical flow paper considered worldwide state of the art for drone navigation: https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.13045 https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.13045 4x Zhejiang University, Hangzhou, China 6x Tencent's Youtu Lab, Shenzhen, China Before that was released, the previous state of the art was: https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09117 https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09117 3x The Chinese University of Hong Kong 1x Tencent AI Lab, Shenzhen, China In Sintel, a benchmark performed by a German university, both of these also rank higher than the highest-ranked research team including a US citizen. It may not be what people want to hear and/or it maybe an issue of cheating, industry espionage, or global politics, but Chinese research teams ARE world-class at computer vision and have been for at least a year now.
  - logicslave 6y ago
    I work in machine learning research and keep up with all of the top papers. I have exited on an ml startup that I founded. Very few coming out of china are top papers. Anyone can publish to arxiv. Measuring whether a model is state of the art is incredibly complex, overfitting to specific datasets is rampant. Its also ridiculous that I am being downvoted.
    - fxtentacle 6y ago
      The papers that are cited are said to be state of the art by an unrelated German university. But I'll give you that overfitting is an issue, especially on Sintel. Still, I did work with selflow myself and it is one of the best. The only issue is with thin objects, but skydio (us startup) is having exactly the same problem.

quickthrower2 6y ago

Quite an extrapolation from: 1. No infrastructure related code with a Chinese language .md file on an American open source site that passes the filters that (a) you have seen it, and (b) that is better in your opinion than what "we" (US?) has to 2. There isn't a universe of software from China we don't see"