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Many organizations need to have supported 1.7 and 1.8 releases and it's a lot of money to spend on per core licensing which is a new thing after Oracle took ove

Many organizations need to have supported 1.7 and 1.8 releases and it's a lot of money to spend on per core licensing which is a new thing after Oracle took over. The link you posted do not have free updated binaries for JDK 7 or 8. For those you have to pay. A lot. So it makes sense to look for non Oracle JDK and along with OpenJDK, OpenJ9 is a great choice.

pron 6y ago
First, what do you mean by "after Oracle took over"? JDK 7 and 8 were released by Oracle (6 was the last one under Sun). Second, you always had to pay for the JDK after ~5 years of free public updates, and the price now is lower than before. Finally, OpenJDK is the name of Oracle's one and only Java implementation project, with contributions from other companies; OpenJ9 is, indeed, a completely separate project by IBM, but ~80% of that JDK is copied from OpenJDK. And those paid support subscriptions? They fund most of OpenJDK's development.
- blinkingled 6y ago
  Not sure what you're getting defensive about - the Oracle JDK licensing change was a recent thing than JDK 7 or 8 release dates. And the per core licensing isn't cheap. So that gets companies to seek cheaper alternatives. What is there to argue about? It's a fact that Oracle changed licensing on JDK 7 and 8 they admit that themselves.
  - pron 6y ago
    The support license was changed to a subscription model that lowered prices after 7 and 8 were out of the ~5-year free public updates period. Companies wishing to stay on old versions and buy support for them pay less than they did or expected to before the change.
    - blinkingled 6y ago
      https://www.oracle.com/assets/java-se-subscription-pricelist-5028356.pdf https://www.oracle.com/assets/java-se-subscription-pricelist... Well with per core licensing combined with monthly subscriptions it's not that cut and dry that you will pay less. I can't remember what we paid for Sun Java in licensing but it wasn't per core.
      - pron 6y ago
        Java 7 required payment for support for four years before the license change [1]: > The price is $25 per month per processor for servers and cloud instances, with volume discounts available. ... The previous pricing for the Java SE Advanced program cost $5,000 for a license for each server processor plus a $1,100 annual support fee per server processor, as well as $110 one-time license fee per named user and a $22 annual support fee per named user (each processor has a ten-user minimum). So from (1,100 + 22 * 10) per year per processor + (5,000 + 110 * 10), the cost went down to $300 per processor per year (no one-time fee, no per-user license). That's a >4x drop in price (of course, there were, and are, various bulk discounts, but it's a big price reduction nonetheless). [1]: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/oracle-now-requires-a-subscription-to-use-java-se.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/oracle-now-require...
        blinkingled 6y ago
        Was old Java license per Processor or Per Core? Because the new one is Per Core. So if previously I had 4 sockets with 4 cores per socket - I paid 4x$LICENSE - now I am paying 16x$LICENSE. No?
        pron 6y ago
        AFAIK, the definition of processor hasn't changed. Oracle just changed the license and cut the price to be competitive with other support offerings.
        blinkingled 6y ago
        From the link I posted - > When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One, Standard Edition 2 or Standard Edition in the product name (with the exception of WebCenter Enterprise Capture Standard Edition, Java SE Subscription, Java SE Support, Java SE Advanced, and Java SE Suite), a processor is counted equivalent to an occupied socket; however, in the case of multi-chip modules, each chip in the multi-chip module is counted as one occupied socket. It doesn't get any clearer than that - it is per core. So that's significantly increased cost for pretty much most enterprise users with VMWare and high core count Xeons.

pron 6y ago

First, what do you mean by "after Oracle took over"? JDK 7 and 8 were released by Oracle (6 was the last one under Sun). Second, you always had to pay for the JDK after ~5 years of free public updates, and the price now is lower than before. Finally, OpenJDK is the name of Oracle's one and only Java implementation project, with contributions from other companies; OpenJ9 is, indeed, a completely separate project by IBM, but ~80% of that JDK is copied from OpenJDK. And those paid support subscriptions? They fund most of OpenJDK's development.

blinkingled 6y ago
Not sure what you're getting defensive about - the Oracle JDK licensing change was a recent thing than JDK 7 or 8 release dates. And the per core licensing isn't cheap. So that gets companies to seek cheaper alternatives. What is there to argue about? It's a fact that Oracle changed licensing on JDK 7 and 8 they admit that themselves.
- pron 6y ago
  The support license was changed to a subscription model that lowered prices after 7 and 8 were out of the ~5-year free public updates period. Companies wishing to stay on old versions and buy support for them pay less than they did or expected to before the change.
  - blinkingled 6y ago
    https://www.oracle.com/assets/java-se-subscription-pricelist-5028356.pdf https://www.oracle.com/assets/java-se-subscription-pricelist... Well with per core licensing combined with monthly subscriptions it's not that cut and dry that you will pay less. I can't remember what we paid for Sun Java in licensing but it wasn't per core.
    - pron 6y ago
      Java 7 required payment for support for four years before the license change [1]: > The price is $25 per month per processor for servers and cloud instances, with volume discounts available. ... The previous pricing for the Java SE Advanced program cost $5,000 for a license for each server processor plus a $1,100 annual support fee per server processor, as well as $110 one-time license fee per named user and a $22 annual support fee per named user (each processor has a ten-user minimum). So from (1,100 + 22 * 10) per year per processor + (5,000 + 110 * 10), the cost went down to $300 per processor per year (no one-time fee, no per-user license). That's a >4x drop in price (of course, there were, and are, various bulk discounts, but it's a big price reduction nonetheless). [1]: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/oracle-now-requires-a-subscription-to-use-java-se.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/oracle-now-require...
      - blinkingled 6y ago
        Was old Java license per Processor or Per Core? Because the new one is Per Core. So if previously I had 4 sockets with 4 cores per socket - I paid 4x$LICENSE - now I am paying 16x$LICENSE. No?
        pron 6y ago
        AFAIK, the definition of processor hasn't changed. Oracle just changed the license and cut the price to be competitive with other support offerings.
        blinkingled 6y ago
        From the link I posted - > When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One, Standard Edition 2 or Standard Edition in the product name (with the exception of WebCenter Enterprise Capture Standard Edition, Java SE Subscription, Java SE Support, Java SE Advanced, and Java SE Suite), a processor is counted equivalent to an occupied socket; however, in the case of multi-chip modules, each chip in the multi-chip module is counted as one occupied socket. It doesn't get any clearer than that - it is per core. So that's significantly increased cost for pretty much most enterprise users with VMWare and high core count Xeons.