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So you are saying Haiku is a hobby project with no goal of being um... "production"? Are you sure that people building it feel the same way?

by vvpan 6y ago

azinman2 6y ago
Considering it's a small set of developers who all work part time re-implementing an OS from the 90s that failed when it was a commercial entity fully staffed, it's hard to imagine that they're super serious about it being a "production" OS.
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  A couple quick comments: (1) While Be, Inc., failed, it's debatable whether it failed because the OS wasn't good enough. It was certainly being used in commercial production in certain places already -- not just by hobbyists. Steinberg was selling a BeOS version of their (very high-grade and expensive!) audio production system, Nuendo, and I actually saw Level Control Systems' CueStation, an "audio automation system" for Broadway-grade live performance systems, running on BeOS in the wild -- it was running the control booth of Cirque de Soleil's permanent installation at Disney World. BeOS was doing shockingly well in attracting commercial applications in 1997-1999 given its tiny user base -- what they were failing at was attracting hardware companies to ship pre-installed systems. Be's management was dead set on the idea that "steady and slow growth as a niche OS" just wouldn't do, and they needed to either be the next Apple or die trying. And, when they punted on desktop BeOS in favor of a custom version for what turned out to be the absolutely imaginary market for internet appliances, they pretty much chose "die trying." (2) I think it depends on what you mean by "production". I mean, it's probably never going to be competing with Linux servers. But is it possible it could be competitive with Linux as a desktop OS? Maybe. A few years ago I wouldn't have been that optimistic, but they've done a tremendous job with ports.
  - city41 6y ago
    > what they were failing at was attracting hardware companies to ship pre-installed systems. Microsoft told hardware manufacturers that if they ship machines with BeOS they would charge them more for Windows licenses. https://web.archive.org/web/20131109045719/http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/print.php/3073811/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131109045719/http://www.intern...

So you are saying Haiku is a hobby project with no goal of being um... "production"? Are you sure that people building it feel the same way?

by vvpan 6y ago

So you are saying Haiku is a hobby project with no goal of being um... "production"? Are you sure that people building it feel the same way?

azinman2 6y ago

Considering it's a small set of developers who all work part time re-implementing an OS from the 90s that failed when it was a commercial entity fully staffed, it's hard to imagine that they're super serious about it being a "production" OS.

chipotle_coyote 6y ago
A couple quick comments: (1) While Be, Inc., failed, it's debatable whether it failed because the OS wasn't good enough. It was certainly being used in commercial production in certain places already -- not just by hobbyists. Steinberg was selling a BeOS version of their (very high-grade and expensive!) audio production system, Nuendo, and I actually saw Level Control Systems' CueStation, an "audio automation system" for Broadway-grade live performance systems, running on BeOS in the wild -- it was running the control booth of Cirque de Soleil's permanent installation at Disney World. BeOS was doing shockingly well in attracting commercial applications in 1997-1999 given its tiny user base -- what they were failing at was attracting hardware companies to ship pre-installed systems. Be's management was dead set on the idea that "steady and slow growth as a niche OS" just wouldn't do, and they needed to either be the next Apple or die trying. And, when they punted on desktop BeOS in favor of a custom version for what turned out to be the absolutely imaginary market for internet appliances, they pretty much chose "die trying." (2) I think it depends on what you mean by "production". I mean, it's probably never going to be competing with Linux servers. But is it possible it could be competitive with Linux as a desktop OS? Maybe. A few years ago I wouldn't have been that optimistic, but they've done a tremendous job with ports.
- city41 6y ago
  > what they were failing at was attracting hardware companies to ship pre-installed systems. Microsoft told hardware manufacturers that if they ship machines with BeOS they would charge them more for Windows licenses. https://web.archive.org/web/20131109045719/http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/print.php/3073811/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131109045719/http://www.intern...