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> Musk went as far as to dare authorities to arrest him. Is this referring to this tweet (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891 https://twitt

> Musk went as far as to dare authorities to arrest him. Is this referring to this tweet (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891) that said "Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules. I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me." ?

t-writescode 6y ago
You mean where Musk is basically saying “please don’t hold my demands of my workers against them. Punish me instead, please?”
- deleted 6y ago
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- admax88q 6y ago
  Ah yes, there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk.
  - ricardobeat 6y ago
    > there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk. I'm pretty sure that was dry sarcasm, and your comment is the one doing mental gymnastics...
    - admax88q 6y ago
      Maybe, doesn't read like dry sarcasm to me. EDIT: It reads like defense of Musk. Like "he's not so bad, he asked to be the one held accountable" I hope none of his employees or their relations die from Covid, no amount of holding Musk "accountable" can reverse that.
      - ricardobeat 6y ago
        Read it like this: the workers could not be held accountable anyway since re-opening was his own demand as the business owner. He is already responsible, not the workers, so that 'sacrifice' is void of meaning. I don't see any way that can be read as a defense of Musk. But mostly I wanted to point out that your comment is in bad taste, and against HN guidelines. That kind of generalization never lands well.
  - pathseeker 6y ago
    Accusing people of defending Musk without addressing any of the actual statements violates this site's guidelines.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    Actually, that was a literal interpretation of his words. You characterizing that literal interpretation as "mental gymnastics" is itself a form of mental gymnastics (more properly, excessive heuristic activity in the subconscious, and a lack of corresponding conscious awareness of these processes, or something along those lines).
- leeoniya 6y ago
  bail is cheaper than missing production targets.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Quarantine is where you restrict the movement of sick people. Tyranny is where you restrict the movement of healthy people.
Google234 6y ago
I’m curious if you think Tesla should still be closed now?
- andys627 6y ago
  I'm not sure. It would be good to prevent spread of disease. But also, Tesla's mission (https://www.tesla.com/about https://www.tesla.com/about) is "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy." This is a generational timescale business - in Musk's mind an extra 1.5% of population dying is probably worth it - especially if the alternative is Tesla dies. Edit - here's an interesting question - how many lives is accelerating the world's transition to sustainable energy worth? Climate change is surely going to cost lives. Tesla also isn't really the best solution in my mind. I think we should all live in denser cities where you can walk, bike, and use transit.
  - optimiz3 6y ago
    If we're so concerned about the Tesla factory to the point of contemplating shutdowns, how do we feel about the scenes of bars and beaches filled with people all over the US?
    - jeffbee 6y ago
      How do you feel about them? Transmission of a respiratory virus at a windy beach is next to impossible, and photos of beaches look a lot more crowded than they really are due to the compressive distortion of telephoto lenses. Transmission of respiratory diseases at a bar, indoors, where people are elbow-by-elbow and intentionally suppressing their own immune responses with intoxicants, seems a lot more possible.
- Shivetya 6y ago
  to the point that any business should be. as in, if they take reasonable precautions I am all for any business being opened. it is far easier to contain the issue in a factory floor than the supermarket many will be in on their way home. that is the lunacy of the closings, they lack logic, as in rules being used and implied risk against other types of businesses opening have been glossed over for those already deemed essential.

t-writescode 6y ago

You mean where Musk is basically saying “please don’t hold my demands of my workers against them. Punish me instead, please?”

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admax88q 6y ago
Ah yes, there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk.
- ricardobeat 6y ago
  > there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk. I'm pretty sure that was dry sarcasm, and your comment is the one doing mental gymnastics...
  - admax88q 6y ago
    Maybe, doesn't read like dry sarcasm to me. EDIT: It reads like defense of Musk. Like "he's not so bad, he asked to be the one held accountable" I hope none of his employees or their relations die from Covid, no amount of holding Musk "accountable" can reverse that.
    - ricardobeat 6y ago
      Read it like this: the workers could not be held accountable anyway since re-opening was his own demand as the business owner. He is already responsible, not the workers, so that 'sacrifice' is void of meaning. I don't see any way that can be read as a defense of Musk. But mostly I wanted to point out that your comment is in bad taste, and against HN guidelines. That kind of generalization never lands well.
- pathseeker 6y ago
  Accusing people of defending Musk without addressing any of the actual statements violates this site's guidelines.
- mistermann 6y ago
  Actually, that was a literal interpretation of his words. You characterizing that literal interpretation as "mental gymnastics" is itself a form of mental gymnastics (more properly, excessive heuristic activity in the subconscious, and a lack of corresponding conscious awareness of these processes, or something along those lines).
leeoniya 6y ago
bail is cheaper than missing production targets.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Quarantine is where you restrict the movement of sick people. Tyranny is where you restrict the movement of healthy people.

Google234 6y ago

I’m curious if you think Tesla should still be closed now?

andys627 6y ago
I'm not sure. It would be good to prevent spread of disease. But also, Tesla's mission (https://www.tesla.com/about https://www.tesla.com/about) is "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy." This is a generational timescale business - in Musk's mind an extra 1.5% of population dying is probably worth it - especially if the alternative is Tesla dies. Edit - here's an interesting question - how many lives is accelerating the world's transition to sustainable energy worth? Climate change is surely going to cost lives. Tesla also isn't really the best solution in my mind. I think we should all live in denser cities where you can walk, bike, and use transit.
- optimiz3 6y ago
  If we're so concerned about the Tesla factory to the point of contemplating shutdowns, how do we feel about the scenes of bars and beaches filled with people all over the US?
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    How do you feel about them? Transmission of a respiratory virus at a windy beach is next to impossible, and photos of beaches look a lot more crowded than they really are due to the compressive distortion of telephoto lenses. Transmission of respiratory diseases at a bar, indoors, where people are elbow-by-elbow and intentionally suppressing their own immune responses with intoxicants, seems a lot more possible.
Shivetya 6y ago
to the point that any business should be. as in, if they take reasonable precautions I am all for any business being opened. it is far easier to contain the issue in a factory floor than the supermarket many will be in on their way home. that is the lunacy of the closings, they lack logic, as in rules being used and implied risk against other types of businesses opening have been glossed over for those already deemed essential.