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perhaps you can invent a society where the work needed to live can get done without any humans doing work.
by gameswithgo 6y ago
perhaps you can invent a society where the work needed to live can get done without any humans doing work.
- arcticbull 6y agoWe're quickly approaching that. A few generations from now it'll just be the robots - and us watching.
- heavyset_go 6y agoUnless our descendants own those robots or there is a massive shift in who controls productive property, our lineages will die off once they're made permanently redundant and shut out from what those machines produce.
- arcticbull 6y agoAlmost certainly. Thing is, as countries develop, the birth rate drops off a cliff. Canada's already at 1.5 births per woman. The US is only slightly higher. As we make more robots, we'll make less humans. Society will be forced to become dramatically different.
- heavyset_go 6y agoWe already have an abundance of resources, like food and land, yet we don't efficiently allocate them such that they don't go to waste, leave people hungry or leave people homeless. The only reason people without significant assets can access food or land is because they're able to trade their time for money. People who can't trade their time for money currently go hungry and become homeless. This is why I say that unless there is a significant change in control of productive property, when that productive property deprecates human labor, those who rely on trading their time for money will be in dire situations.
- trhway 6y agoi don't want to scare you man yet you've just basically invented the Das Kapital :)
- catalogia 6y ago> ancestors (Descendants; ancestors are those in the past.)
- heavyset_go 6y agoGood catch, fixed.
- luckylion 6y agoMaybe. A lot can happen in 100 years. Don't hold your breath.
- Guest42 6y agoMany problems have numerous solutions.
- trhway 6y ago>a society where the work needed to live a good start would be to pay well for that work.
- RandomGuyDTB 6y agoExactly. > There's something wrong with our civilization when some people have to go in for the increased risk to their health for $15+ just to feed their families while we comfortably and safely sit at home getting paid multiples of that and ride that great stock market. This isn't a jab at workers needing to go back to work, this is a jab at the fact that we treat retail workers like garbage when in reality our society would crumble without them. The whole "just get a better job if you want to be paid more" argument levied at those who push for a higher minimum wage not only ignores the fact that, when in poverty, it's very hard to get a "better job", but also ignores the fact that these jobs are necessary. Somebody has to do them. Why are sanitation workers getting paid less than stock brokers when sanitation workers are doing objectively harder work and are at far more risk (especially now)? > perhaps you can invent a society where the work needed to live can get done without any humans doing work. No, I'll invent a society where people whose job it is to move money around are paid substantially less than retail workers or janitors, and where those that do labor like this are respected more highly than someone like Warren Buffet or Crissy Teigen.
- sigstoat 6y ago> Somebody has to do them. Why are sanitation workers getting paid less than stock brokers when sanitation workers are doing objectively harder work and are at far more risk (especially now)? do you propose to pay sanitation workers hundreds of thousands of dollars a piece, in which case i can't imagine how city budgets will survive, or forcibly lower the salaries of financial workers to below that of the sanitation workers? in which case we'll have little to no financial services anymore.
- xkjkls 6y agoNo, just one where there isn't a permanent underclass that is exploited.