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Horrifying. My neighbor just installed one of those simple to use cameras in their windows looking at their driveway and our home. The old country had some basi

Horrifying. My neighbor just installed one of those simple to use cameras in their windows looking at their driveway and our home. The old country had some basic privacy laws, but here I can't do much about it apart from installing blinds. What is this fascination with recording everything at all times?

jfoster 6y ago
In the case of Tesla, Sentry Mode has actually led to plenty of vandals being caught. So there is a tangible upside there, and as far as I know there hasn't been any tangible downside of Sentry Mode. I'm not saying everything needs to always be recorded, but for security it is clear that it can lead to favourable outcomes for the party that wants the security.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  I understand the appeal, but I can't accept the siren song. Frankly, my security model involves living in suburbs. Seriously, how much security do you need and at which point is it too invasive?
  - cameronfraser 6y ago
    You're fighting against a strong current. Mass video surveillance is inevitable and people are welcoming it with open arms. I highly doubt that lawmakers will legislate that people cannot record video of another persons property as a side effect of trying to record their own. At best they may start offering features that blurs out video beyond your property lines (technically possible, but difficult and would require some setup beforehand), however part of the selling point of the doorbell cameras for example is they're catching crimes on other people's property as well as your own.
ssully 6y ago
I think most people get them as a deterrent to break ins, not to spy on their neighbors. At least thats why I have one. I had my house robbed a few years back, which was actually horrifying. Insurance covered all the valuables, but the stuff that hurts is what can't be replaced like things from loved ones who are gone. Also your sense of security gets tarnished after something like that. I still wake up in the middle of the night sure that I hear people moving/talking in my house. Having a camera (and dogs, and just giving myself time to wake up and think things through) helps bring me back down to earth in those moments.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  I can understand that having some unpleasant experiences in my city apartment. I will admit that dogs help. I think my next house will be in the boondocks surrounded by forest with few to no neighbors.
heavymark 6y ago
As you noted they are aiming it at ‘their’ driveway. You house presumably just happens to be there, I doubt they have any desire to look in your house window. Aiming it at their driveway for most of us is not a fascination, rather you can see who is coming and going. Such as when Amazon says they delivered to your front door but you have footage of them throwing in your driveway, or video of someone driving by and looking in your mailbox, or when a snow plowed denies having hit your mailbox, and countless other relatively common scenarios beyond that of course capturing a burgler.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  I think you would agree that his ownership ends where my begins. I understand rationale used. I have problem with the rationale stepping over the line of my property. We don't automatically accept excessive noise from neighbors. Why can't surveillance work the same way? Maybe tilt the camera not to violate my privacy? Is that so much to ask?

jfoster 6y ago

In the case of Tesla, Sentry Mode has actually led to plenty of vandals being caught. So there is a tangible upside there, and as far as I know there hasn't been any tangible downside of Sentry Mode. I'm not saying everything needs to always be recorded, but for security it is clear that it can lead to favourable outcomes for the party that wants the security.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
I understand the appeal, but I can't accept the siren song. Frankly, my security model involves living in suburbs. Seriously, how much security do you need and at which point is it too invasive?
- cameronfraser 6y ago
  You're fighting against a strong current. Mass video surveillance is inevitable and people are welcoming it with open arms. I highly doubt that lawmakers will legislate that people cannot record video of another persons property as a side effect of trying to record their own. At best they may start offering features that blurs out video beyond your property lines (technically possible, but difficult and would require some setup beforehand), however part of the selling point of the doorbell cameras for example is they're catching crimes on other people's property as well as your own.

ssully 6y ago

I think most people get them as a deterrent to break ins, not to spy on their neighbors. At least thats why I have one. I had my house robbed a few years back, which was actually horrifying. Insurance covered all the valuables, but the stuff that hurts is what can't be replaced like things from loved ones who are gone. Also your sense of security gets tarnished after something like that. I still wake up in the middle of the night sure that I hear people moving/talking in my house. Having a camera (and dogs, and just giving myself time to wake up and think things through) helps bring me back down to earth in those moments.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
I can understand that having some unpleasant experiences in my city apartment. I will admit that dogs help. I think my next house will be in the boondocks surrounded by forest with few to no neighbors.

heavymark 6y ago

As you noted they are aiming it at ‘their’ driveway. You house presumably just happens to be there, I doubt they have any desire to look in your house window. Aiming it at their driveway for most of us is not a fascination, rather you can see who is coming and going. Such as when Amazon says they delivered to your front door but you have footage of them throwing in your driveway, or video of someone driving by and looking in your mailbox, or when a snow plowed denies having hit your mailbox, and countless other relatively common scenarios beyond that of course capturing a burgler.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
I think you would agree that his ownership ends where my begins. I understand rationale used. I have problem with the rationale stepping over the line of my property. We don't automatically accept excessive noise from neighbors. Why can't surveillance work the same way? Maybe tilt the camera not to violate my privacy? Is that so much to ask?