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Here is my 16" doing what you suggest: https://imgur.com/v4HNhZY https://imgur.com/v4HNhZY Moving frame to frame you see that the blue highlight lags the mouse

by knolan 6y ago

Here is my 16" doing what you suggest: https://imgur.com/v4HNhZY https://imgur.com/v4HNhZY Moving frame to frame you see that the blue highlight lags the mouse by one or two frames. Seems okay to me, I don't see any flickering.

lloeki 6y ago
There is visible flickering during the last second. Moving frame by frame: the blue highlight goes unseen together with Clear History, then it's Settings for This Website, then Hide Others, then Quit Safari twice, the highlight reappears on Hide Safari, then disappears with Clear History. A little bit later Settings for This Website is highlighted but the text stays dark instead of becoming white.
danielscrubs 6y ago
At the 4 sec mark in your video the text "Clear History..." vanishes resulting in flicker. I have a screenshot if you want.
- knolan 6y ago
  I see it now, thanks for pointing it out. Just for fun I recorded it with the 240 fps video mode on my phone and you can see that the text colour is changing from black to white in response to the mouseover but the blue highlight does not always render. Taking a new screen recording I did a quick time-space plot in Matlab. https://imgur.com/a/Pih5Q8m https://imgur.com/a/Pih5Q8m It appears to be an issue when you move your mouse more than one pixel per frame of the refresh rate.
  - danielscrubs 6y ago
    Nice work!
cwhiz 6y ago
Yeah this has got to be peak absurdity. Inspecting menu responsiveness frame by frame.
- jki275 6y ago
  Yeah, this literally has zero impact on anything at all. I simply don't care, even if someone can find an anomaly in frame by frame inspection of rendering.
  - knolan 6y ago
    I find it mildly interesting from a graphics point of view. MacOS has always had lots of attention to detail in its presentation and its interesting to see how the wheels can come off.
    - jki275 6y ago
      That's a fair point -- but I would argue Apple has always focused primarily on user experience, which often, but not always, aligns with graphical presentation and perfection. There are times -- and perhaps this is one -- where it makes sense to drop things in presentation perfection in order to make a UI more responsive and better for the user's overall experience. I'm not a UX expert by any means, but I know for me there is little as infuriating as when I issue some sort of command and get no response -- if the cursor is pointing at something in a menu, that thing had better be selected and I don't really care a whit whether or not the UI representation of it moving there was frame by frame perfection.
      - knolan 6y ago
        I get that, but I would think that they would then avoid changing the text colour to white also if they don't render the blue highlight.
neximo64 6y ago
The video is full of problems, you can see the 'Quit Safari' not even change to a white font despite having the blue highlight, there are cases of disappearing text in your video too.. There is a lot going wrong in the rendering there for something that is so utterly basic. You don't have to view this frame to frame to see this you can notice it with every day use. The thing is a decade old machine running the same software can do better, even if you analyse it frame by frame, its perfection. We've gone downhill.

by knolan 6y ago

lloeki 6y ago

There is visible flickering during the last second. Moving frame by frame: the blue highlight goes unseen together with Clear History, then it's Settings for This Website, then Hide Others, then Quit Safari twice, the highlight reappears on Hide Safari, then disappears with Clear History. A little bit later Settings for This Website is highlighted but the text stays dark instead of becoming white.

danielscrubs 6y ago

At the 4 sec mark in your video the text "Clear History..." vanishes resulting in flicker. I have a screenshot if you want.

knolan 6y ago
I see it now, thanks for pointing it out. Just for fun I recorded it with the 240 fps video mode on my phone and you can see that the text colour is changing from black to white in response to the mouseover but the blue highlight does not always render. Taking a new screen recording I did a quick time-space plot in Matlab. https://imgur.com/a/Pih5Q8m https://imgur.com/a/Pih5Q8m It appears to be an issue when you move your mouse more than one pixel per frame of the refresh rate.
- danielscrubs 6y ago
  Nice work!

cwhiz 6y ago

Yeah this has got to be peak absurdity. Inspecting menu responsiveness frame by frame.

jki275 6y ago
Yeah, this literally has zero impact on anything at all. I simply don't care, even if someone can find an anomaly in frame by frame inspection of rendering.
- knolan 6y ago
  I find it mildly interesting from a graphics point of view. MacOS has always had lots of attention to detail in its presentation and its interesting to see how the wheels can come off.
  - jki275 6y ago
    That's a fair point -- but I would argue Apple has always focused primarily on user experience, which often, but not always, aligns with graphical presentation and perfection. There are times -- and perhaps this is one -- where it makes sense to drop things in presentation perfection in order to make a UI more responsive and better for the user's overall experience. I'm not a UX expert by any means, but I know for me there is little as infuriating as when I issue some sort of command and get no response -- if the cursor is pointing at something in a menu, that thing had better be selected and I don't really care a whit whether or not the UI representation of it moving there was frame by frame perfection.
    - knolan 6y ago
      I get that, but I would think that they would then avoid changing the text colour to white also if they don't render the blue highlight.

neximo64 6y ago

The video is full of problems, you can see the 'Quit Safari' not even change to a white font despite having the blue highlight, there are cases of disappearing text in your video too.. There is a lot going wrong in the rendering there for something that is so utterly basic. You don't have to view this frame to frame to see this you can notice it with every day use. The thing is a decade old machine running the same software can do better, even if you analyse it frame by frame, its perfection. We've gone downhill.