> So if you'll indulge me -- this list is exactly why a system like Kubernetes is valuable and why I think personally that it contains a lot of essential comple

> So if you'll indulge me -- this list is exactly why a system like Kubernetes is valuable and why I think personally that it contains a lot of essential complexity. Yes. I would agree to your statement precisely as an answer to @jen20. Some things such as getting stateful systems, HPAs and persistent storages were a little tricky initially but a breeze after. But I do want to mention that you really really need a team to look after it. Without it, it'll bound to be another snowflake. [edit]: <sigh/> i meant to say stateful when i wrote stateless.