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But err, that's exactly what's happened. We now know that China locked down domestic flights originating from Wuhan in Jan 23. While at the same time pressuring

But err, that's exactly what's happened. We now know that China locked down domestic flights originating from Wuhan in Jan 23. While at the same time pressuring various world governments and WHO to continue accepting international flights. I feel like this needs to be unpacked for a lot of people. There are two pieces: 1: This paper claims that the virus was circulating in micro-clusters earlier than currently believed. It makes no claims as to any coverup. 2: There is clear evidence of an aggressive coverup lasting at least several weeks prior to covid becoming official. This makes no claims as to when the virus started circulating. Only when the authorities became aware of it. These two statements are unrelated. The root parent post poisoned the well by conflating them. This paper is just another step towards tracking down the origin of the virus, it has nothing to do with coverups - whether real or conspiracy theory.

fps_doug 6y ago
As far as I can tell, the root parent tried to address the various posts here, but mostly on other (social media) sites that immediately jump to the conclusion that do connect 1 and 2. That this was indeed covered up for months, and that this was all planned by China to hurt the west, and whatnot. I see this a lot. It's like we desperately need to focus on things in other countries that are even worse than all the issues we have here. Too bad that stupid cop killed that black guy, ruined the party and shifted our attention back.
- tripzilch 6y ago
  > Too bad that stupid cop killed that black guy You meant to say "too bad those stupid cops have been killing and stomping on black guys for about a century now". To put it extremely mildly, it's not a response to that one singular incident. This one just happened to be unambiguously caught on camera.
  - whydoyoucare 6y ago
    A rational discourse backed by data is way more useful than meaningless comments trying to fan the flames. I'd recommend having another HN thread if you'd really want to have this discussion, and I will happily participate.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    Cops have been intentionally terrorizing 40 million black Americans since forever.
powerapple 6y ago
The lockdown happened in Jan 20, and it is public. Not 'we now know', it is 'we knew'. What's wrong with "pressuring various world governments and WHO to continue accepting international flights"? Did any country during this crisis prevent their own people from going out except Wuhan China? Did countries stop receiving European and American when there are cases in those countries?
javagram 6y ago
> We now know that China locked down domestic flights originating from Wuhan in Jan 23. While at the same time pressuring various world governments and WHO to continue accepting international flights. As someone else pointed out, this is not a “now know”, it was public the same day in January that it happened. Also, international flights mentioned were from other places than Wuhan - the international flights out of Wuhan were stopped at the same time as the domestic flights. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel-conspiracy/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel... > 1: This paper claims that the virus was circulating in micro-clusters earlier than currently believed. It makes no claims as to any coverup. If the virus were circulating to the point of significantly increasing hospital visits in September, that means the Chinese doctors were covering up/hiding atypical pneumonia cases for months. (This doesn’t actually make sense because a virus doesn’t stop spreading because of a cover-up of course and would have escaped Wuhan much earlier)
hxym28fa1B8 6y ago
> We now know that China locked down domestic flights originating from Wuhan in Jan 23. They locked down all flights originating from Wuhan. In fact, they completely shut down the airport. The incorrect claim that international flights continued was invented by Niall Ferguson of the Hoover Institution, and then spread uncritically by various news media, as detailed in The Independent: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-independent-1029/20200607/282209423084885 https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-independent-1029/20200607...

fps_doug 6y ago

As far as I can tell, the root parent tried to address the various posts here, but mostly on other (social media) sites that immediately jump to the conclusion that do connect 1 and 2. That this was indeed covered up for months, and that this was all planned by China to hurt the west, and whatnot. I see this a lot. It's like we desperately need to focus on things in other countries that are even worse than all the issues we have here. Too bad that stupid cop killed that black guy, ruined the party and shifted our attention back.

tripzilch 6y ago
> Too bad that stupid cop killed that black guy You meant to say "too bad those stupid cops have been killing and stomping on black guys for about a century now". To put it extremely mildly, it's not a response to that one singular incident. This one just happened to be unambiguously caught on camera.
- whydoyoucare 6y ago
  A rational discourse backed by data is way more useful than meaningless comments trying to fan the flames. I'd recommend having another HN thread if you'd really want to have this discussion, and I will happily participate.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  Cops have been intentionally terrorizing 40 million black Americans since forever.

powerapple 6y ago

The lockdown happened in Jan 20, and it is public. Not 'we now know', it is 'we knew'. What's wrong with "pressuring various world governments and WHO to continue accepting international flights"? Did any country during this crisis prevent their own people from going out except Wuhan China? Did countries stop receiving European and American when there are cases in those countries?

javagram 6y ago

> We now know that China locked down domestic flights originating from Wuhan in Jan 23. While at the same time pressuring various world governments and WHO to continue accepting international flights. As someone else pointed out, this is not a “now know”, it was public the same day in January that it happened. Also, international flights mentioned were from other places than Wuhan - the international flights out of Wuhan were stopped at the same time as the domestic flights. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel-conspiracy/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel... > 1: This paper claims that the virus was circulating in micro-clusters earlier than currently believed. It makes no claims as to any coverup. If the virus were circulating to the point of significantly increasing hospital visits in September, that means the Chinese doctors were covering up/hiding atypical pneumonia cases for months. (This doesn’t actually make sense because a virus doesn’t stop spreading because of a cover-up of course and would have escaped Wuhan much earlier)

hxym28fa1B8 6y ago

> We now know that China locked down domestic flights originating from Wuhan in Jan 23. They locked down all flights originating from Wuhan. In fact, they completely shut down the airport. The incorrect claim that international flights continued was invented by Niall Ferguson of the Hoover Institution, and then spread uncritically by various news media, as detailed in The Independent: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-independent-1029/20200607/282209423084885 https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-independent-1029/20200607...