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What you're saying might be statistically correlated but that does not make it an useful discriminator. There is nothing inherent in black people that makes the

What you're saying might be statistically correlated but that does not make it an useful discriminator. There is nothing inherent in black people that makes them commit crimes more, these are societal factors. Imagine a white person had to pay 100x the scholarship because the richest people are all white.

tw000001 6y ago
>There is nothing inherent in black people that makes them commit crimes more, these are societal factors. You fundamentally cannot prove that, but people are making policy as though it is true, at the expense of others. >Imagine a white person had to pay 100x the scholarship because the richest people are all white. That's literally what affirmative action is. Not quite 100x but the same is happening - and not just to white people. You're familiar with the recent ivy league scandals, right?
- TomMarius 6y ago
  Actually you can prove it and it has been proven. Genetics have a minor say in who a person is, and racial factor is equivalent to statistical error. For example there are adopted black children in very white populations, e.g. in Eastern Europe, where I live. These children are absolutely no different to kids here - and the white kids here know from experience that a person that grew up here (among our people) will be just like them. And the same goes for other ethnicities/nationalities that are considered different in personality, e.g. Arabs, Greeks, Italians, Spanish people... It's all about the upbringing. I am not familiar with any scandals, and in the case of Ivy league schools I am always asking why that school? There are thousands of cheap (for everyone) high quality schools. The fact that few well known schools are using race to distinguish high income students is wrong (now you at least have some view into what racism is, imagine how bad it must be to be a minority), but it is not happening universally as you suggest.
  - pcvarmint 6y ago
    > I am not familiar with any scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._Harvard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...
  - tw000001 6y ago
    >Actually you can prove it and it has been proven. Genetics have a minor say in who a person is, and racial factor is equivalent to statistical error That's not true and you won't be able to produce a rigorous source, and it's inconsistent what what we know about human physiology. > The fact that few well known schools are using race to distinguish high income students is wrong (now you at least have some view into what racism is, imagine how bad it must be to be a minority I am a minority, son of immigrants, and that's what makes this discussion particularly frustrating. This unrealistic perception of genes and culture is a purely western delusion. >For example there are adopted black children in very white populations, e.g. in Eastern Europe, where I live. These children are absolutely no different to kids here - and the white kids here know from experience that a person that grew up here (among our people) will be just like them. There are similar studies from the 70s-90s in the US which show opposite conclusions.[0] We can continue bending over backwards coming up with explanations that allow us to maintain our magnanimous worldview, or we can accept that what we know about genes and culture has negative implications for equality of outcome. This isn't a superiority or inferiority judgement either - the NFL is not overwheingly black because discrimination. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adopti...
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tw000001 6y ago

>There is nothing inherent in black people that makes them commit crimes more, these are societal factors. You fundamentally cannot prove that, but people are making policy as though it is true, at the expense of others. >Imagine a white person had to pay 100x the scholarship because the richest people are all white. That's literally what affirmative action is. Not quite 100x but the same is happening - and not just to white people. You're familiar with the recent ivy league scandals, right?

TomMarius 6y ago
Actually you can prove it and it has been proven. Genetics have a minor say in who a person is, and racial factor is equivalent to statistical error. For example there are adopted black children in very white populations, e.g. in Eastern Europe, where I live. These children are absolutely no different to kids here - and the white kids here know from experience that a person that grew up here (among our people) will be just like them. And the same goes for other ethnicities/nationalities that are considered different in personality, e.g. Arabs, Greeks, Italians, Spanish people... It's all about the upbringing. I am not familiar with any scandals, and in the case of Ivy league schools I am always asking why that school? There are thousands of cheap (for everyone) high quality schools. The fact that few well known schools are using race to distinguish high income students is wrong (now you at least have some view into what racism is, imagine how bad it must be to be a minority), but it is not happening universally as you suggest.
- pcvarmint 6y ago
  > I am not familiar with any scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._Harvard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...
- tw000001 6y ago
  >Actually you can prove it and it has been proven. Genetics have a minor say in who a person is, and racial factor is equivalent to statistical error That's not true and you won't be able to produce a rigorous source, and it's inconsistent what what we know about human physiology. > The fact that few well known schools are using race to distinguish high income students is wrong (now you at least have some view into what racism is, imagine how bad it must be to be a minority I am a minority, son of immigrants, and that's what makes this discussion particularly frustrating. This unrealistic perception of genes and culture is a purely western delusion. >For example there are adopted black children in very white populations, e.g. in Eastern Europe, where I live. These children are absolutely no different to kids here - and the white kids here know from experience that a person that grew up here (among our people) will be just like them. There are similar studies from the 70s-90s in the US which show opposite conclusions.[0] We can continue bending over backwards coming up with explanations that allow us to maintain our magnanimous worldview, or we can accept that what we know about genes and culture has negative implications for equality of outcome. This isn't a superiority or inferiority judgement either - the NFL is not overwheingly black because discrimination. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adopti...
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