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I think you fail to understand just how prevalent these issues are for people of color every single day. Yes, these issues might be just a speck for you. But t

I think you fail to understand just how prevalent these issues are for people of color every single day. Yes, these issues might be just a speck for you. But they're a stain on daily life for millions of people around the world (which is why you see people empathizing not just domestically, but internationally). Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. I don't know if you've ever heard the phrase "When White people get the cold, Black people get the flu". Our problems are systemic and the way problems impact people in our society isn't equal. > There's a worrying lack of housing for people here in the last year since the psyche ward and homeless shelters shut down. Businesses have been closing down permanently for months, people are desperate for work, Now dig into the data and see what segment of the population these issues affect the most and disproportionately so. On top of all that, Black people have to worry about having to walk down the street too? Any reasonable person would say "fuck that".

crowdglass 6y ago
> I think you fail to understand just how prevalent these issues are for people of color every single day. Beaten in public for not "taking a knee"? White supremacist. Fucking nazi scum. Latino killed by police? White person? Asian? Black cop killing a black person? CNN's silence is deafening. Only Black Lives Matter. > Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. All those straight white men with their white privilege and white fragility that the media paints as evil, horrible, racist monsters never have to deal with that.
- askafriend 6y ago
  There's a Black family that's been living in a nearby neighborhood for over a decade. Their kid gets the cops called on him regularly because he's Black and walks to school through neighborhoods where people don't recognize him and their first response it to call the cops. Obviously he's not the only one that walks to school, and the other kids have never had the cops called on them. His father's father was lynched back in the day in an effort to drive out a growing Black community. Keep in mind this is just a tiny part of the story of one family. The issues are systemic through the default nature of things and understanding them requires understanding the various systems in effect, the context in which they were put in place, and how they've evolved since. Too often people approach these topics as personal attacks when instead they're intended to describe a complex system that's been intentionally perpetuated. This requires study and context - and that's difficult - which is why people often just talk over each other. For example, the Civil War is taught in some parts of the South as primarily an issue over State's Rights and very little other perspective is provided (personal experience here being a student in the South). Any sane student of History would recognize why this is a problem. Again, this is a tiny tiny part of how systemic these problems are - there's a world of literature out there if you're interested in learning more. I don't believe anyone thinks the BLM movement is saying "Only Black Lives Matter". Literally no one thinks that or even wants it to be that - that's a false framing. Same reason why "Black History Month" is there for a reason. It doesn't mean no one cares about "White History"....that's just called "History" and it's already required study. It's the same reason why when organizations or people highlight Cancer patients and survivors, no one is going around screaming "All diseases matter".
  - grawprog 6y ago
    >It's the same reason why when organizations or people highlight Cancer patients and survivors, no one is going around screaming "All diseases matter To be fair, and to play devil's advocate a bit here, nobody's going around blaming all the AIDS patients saying the cancer patients are dying because of them. Then of course there are lots of actual diseases where research and treatment go underfunded because things like cancer takes the spotlight. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326440/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326440/ https://wtop.com/health-fitness/2016/05/underfunded-deadly-diseases-us/ https://wtop.com/health-fitness/2016/05/underfunded-deadly-d... It's actually kind of a big problem medical science.
  - crowdglass 6y ago
    > Too often people approach these topics as personal attacks Because they are personal attacks. > I don't believe anyone thinks the BLM movement is saying "Only Black Lives Matter". Then act like it. White people die at the hands of cops, too. Fight for them and you get every Republican in the country on your side.
jaekash 6y ago
> Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. Justifying to who? What does Justifying entail? Why do you have to do it? I grew up in a place where I was told everything I own was stolen because of my skin colour on a regular basis - and even then I did not feel like I have to justify my existence and identity. When has anyone ever done anything close to this to you?
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grawprog 6y ago
>Now dig into the data and see what segment of the population these issues affect the most and disproportionately so. On top of all that, Black people have to worry about having to walk down the street too? Any reasonable person would say "fuck that". Not sure about the data, but based on the people I see every day and talk to it's poor and mentally ill native and white people. The black community is fairly small here and consists of a few south African families who were not participating in the protests, at least from what I could tell seeing one of the families on the beach that day, while some members of the other were working. There was an older black Lady who looked at all the white families with their kids protesting who shook her head and called them idiots that i seen but otherwise, it was a bunch of white people yelling about black lives in a community where the main racial problems that do exist are towards natives and there wasn't a single mention about that from those people. The homeless native guy drinking and smoking crack on the street next to them matters less than some guy killed by a cop in the States.
- watwut 6y ago
  Then it kind of sounds like people are protesting against issue that is actual issue they experienced in their community. And somehow it is not real for you, because they are not right color and should wait for other protests with matching color.
  - grawprog 6y ago
    Hmmm, no i was responding to the actual content of the article which is pointing out social media is causing people to overreact to issues outside their area of influence because of what they see online. My point is, I watched a large majority of a community go out and protest over things in another country, ignoring the issues not only caused by the recent lockdowns that seem to matter nothing any more to these people, but the actual issues of their own community are seeemingly not worth addressing, but getting all self righteous about an issue not a single one of them has ever experienced.in their lives, while businesses in their community have closed down because everyone needs to stay away from.eachother. but the second a cop kills someone in America, that means fuck all any more and a thousand people can all stand arm in arm and shit and it's totally fine they're walking past businesses they've forced closed because a week ago they were too scared of dying. What a crock of shit. It's a spit in the face at everyone in their community whose lost their jobs, their businesses their livelihoods, their homes over the last several months. All of that was for nothing apparently, because a cop killed somebody in another country. ETA: To FriendlyNormie, thanks for showing how all this is a bunch of lip service as you advocate murdering a random commenter publicly. You clearly care about your fellow human beings.
FriendlyNormie 6y ago
Shut the fuck up you redditor faggot. You deserve to be decapitated.
mistermann 6y ago
> I think you fail to understand just how prevalent these issues are for people of color every single day. > Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. I struggle trying to figure out what this means in 2020, and I would think it would depend a fair amount on the individual and region where they live. Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day, or is it more of a constant sense of not belonging, like being an outsider of some kind?
- askafriend 6y ago
  > Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day Yes. There is a daily burden that comes with being Black in America that is very distinct and systemic. You can educate yourself on this topic, there's great material out there; I'm still learning too. It has very much to do with the default attitudes in a society where interracial marriage wasn't even legal until 1967. That's not that long ago.
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    Get cancer and die. Now.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the subject from many different angles. It's interesting how much we (and here I mean everyone, of all cultures and skin tones) kind of take for granted that we "know". For example, everyone kind of thinks they "know" about MLK and Malcolm X, but how much do they "know", really? And how much (what percentage of the entirety of the big picture) did these two legendary men themselves "know", really. And then what about other extremely substantial (but not widely legendary) people like James Baldwin and Maya Angelou (who doesn't even get a mention on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_rights_leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_rights_leaders)? How many others are out there that I should make the time to read some of their ideas (like a list of civil rights activists, sorted by descending "importance" (relative to today) of ideas)? And for each, how to best educate myself? And this is leaving aside all of the other important thinkers from other domains who aren't directly associated with the civil rights movement, but whose ideas very much are relevant to the issue? And here again, same problem: who to educate myself on, in what order, and how? To me, racism seems like an extremely complicated problem. It also seems to me that most people consider it to be rather simple. Speaking of complexity and education, I wonder if we could dig a bit deeper into this: >> Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day, or is it more of a constant sense of not belonging, like being an outsider of some kind? > Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day > Yes. To my way of thinking, this style of thinking is way too imprecise, if one's goal is to truly understand the situation. I have a sense that this next question is very difficult to receive without taking offense (due to its heartlessly statistical nature), but hopefully by noting that first it will minimize that problem, at least enough to judge it worthy of a serious reply. In your estimation, what percentage of people of color receive observable [1] mistreatment every day? Or perhaps a simpler way of putting it is: of all POC, what percentage receive at least one observable mistreatment, per day? (And then it would also be interesting to roll these daily statistics up to an average per year and observe changes over time, as well as break it out into different dimensions and categories, etc.) Due to the complexity of humanity, there are an infinite number of different ways to consider any given problem. Racism is but one problem of many (albeit it an especially important one), and the above is but one perspective from which to consider it. I make no assertion about the relative importance of this perspective, but I strongly assert that it has importance in an absolute sense. [1] By observable mistreatment, I mean that a diverse group of third parties would be able to recognize the event (perhaps after having the nuance pointed out to them first), and reasonably agree that it plausibly qualifies as mistreatment.
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crowdglass 6y ago

> I think you fail to understand just how prevalent these issues are for people of color every single day. Beaten in public for not "taking a knee"? White supremacist. Fucking nazi scum. Latino killed by police? White person? Asian? Black cop killing a black person? CNN's silence is deafening. Only Black Lives Matter. > Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. All those straight white men with their white privilege and white fragility that the media paints as evil, horrible, racist monsters never have to deal with that.

askafriend 6y ago
There's a Black family that's been living in a nearby neighborhood for over a decade. Their kid gets the cops called on him regularly because he's Black and walks to school through neighborhoods where people don't recognize him and their first response it to call the cops. Obviously he's not the only one that walks to school, and the other kids have never had the cops called on them. His father's father was lynched back in the day in an effort to drive out a growing Black community. Keep in mind this is just a tiny part of the story of one family. The issues are systemic through the default nature of things and understanding them requires understanding the various systems in effect, the context in which they were put in place, and how they've evolved since. Too often people approach these topics as personal attacks when instead they're intended to describe a complex system that's been intentionally perpetuated. This requires study and context - and that's difficult - which is why people often just talk over each other. For example, the Civil War is taught in some parts of the South as primarily an issue over State's Rights and very little other perspective is provided (personal experience here being a student in the South). Any sane student of History would recognize why this is a problem. Again, this is a tiny tiny part of how systemic these problems are - there's a world of literature out there if you're interested in learning more. I don't believe anyone thinks the BLM movement is saying "Only Black Lives Matter". Literally no one thinks that or even wants it to be that - that's a false framing. Same reason why "Black History Month" is there for a reason. It doesn't mean no one cares about "White History"....that's just called "History" and it's already required study. It's the same reason why when organizations or people highlight Cancer patients and survivors, no one is going around screaming "All diseases matter".
- grawprog 6y ago
  >It's the same reason why when organizations or people highlight Cancer patients and survivors, no one is going around screaming "All diseases matter To be fair, and to play devil's advocate a bit here, nobody's going around blaming all the AIDS patients saying the cancer patients are dying because of them. Then of course there are lots of actual diseases where research and treatment go underfunded because things like cancer takes the spotlight. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326440/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326440/ https://wtop.com/health-fitness/2016/05/underfunded-deadly-diseases-us/ https://wtop.com/health-fitness/2016/05/underfunded-deadly-d... It's actually kind of a big problem medical science.
- crowdglass 6y ago
  > Too often people approach these topics as personal attacks Because they are personal attacks. > I don't believe anyone thinks the BLM movement is saying "Only Black Lives Matter". Then act like it. White people die at the hands of cops, too. Fight for them and you get every Republican in the country on your side.

jaekash 6y ago

> Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. Justifying to who? What does Justifying entail? Why do you have to do it? I grew up in a place where I was told everything I own was stolen because of my skin colour on a regular basis - and even then I did not feel like I have to justify my existence and identity. When has anyone ever done anything close to this to you?

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grawprog 6y ago

>Now dig into the data and see what segment of the population these issues affect the most and disproportionately so. On top of all that, Black people have to worry about having to walk down the street too? Any reasonable person would say "fuck that". Not sure about the data, but based on the people I see every day and talk to it's poor and mentally ill native and white people. The black community is fairly small here and consists of a few south African families who were not participating in the protests, at least from what I could tell seeing one of the families on the beach that day, while some members of the other were working. There was an older black Lady who looked at all the white families with their kids protesting who shook her head and called them idiots that i seen but otherwise, it was a bunch of white people yelling about black lives in a community where the main racial problems that do exist are towards natives and there wasn't a single mention about that from those people. The homeless native guy drinking and smoking crack on the street next to them matters less than some guy killed by a cop in the States.

watwut 6y ago
Then it kind of sounds like people are protesting against issue that is actual issue they experienced in their community. And somehow it is not real for you, because they are not right color and should wait for other protests with matching color.
- grawprog 6y ago
  Hmmm, no i was responding to the actual content of the article which is pointing out social media is causing people to overreact to issues outside their area of influence because of what they see online. My point is, I watched a large majority of a community go out and protest over things in another country, ignoring the issues not only caused by the recent lockdowns that seem to matter nothing any more to these people, but the actual issues of their own community are seeemingly not worth addressing, but getting all self righteous about an issue not a single one of them has ever experienced.in their lives, while businesses in their community have closed down because everyone needs to stay away from.eachother. but the second a cop kills someone in America, that means fuck all any more and a thousand people can all stand arm in arm and shit and it's totally fine they're walking past businesses they've forced closed because a week ago they were too scared of dying. What a crock of shit. It's a spit in the face at everyone in their community whose lost their jobs, their businesses their livelihoods, their homes over the last several months. All of that was for nothing apparently, because a cop killed somebody in another country. ETA: To FriendlyNormie, thanks for showing how all this is a bunch of lip service as you advocate murdering a random commenter publicly. You clearly care about your fellow human beings.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago

Shut the fuck up you redditor faggot. You deserve to be decapitated.

mistermann 6y ago

> I think you fail to understand just how prevalent these issues are for people of color every single day. > Justifying one's existence and identity every single day is exhausting on a level that all other problems are simply irrelevant when existence is in question. I struggle trying to figure out what this means in 2020, and I would think it would depend a fair amount on the individual and region where they live. Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day, or is it more of a constant sense of not belonging, like being an outsider of some kind?

askafriend 6y ago
> Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day Yes. There is a daily burden that comes with being Black in America that is very distinct and systemic. You can educate yourself on this topic, there's great material out there; I'm still learning too. It has very much to do with the default attitudes in a society where interracial marriage wasn't even legal until 1967. That's not that long ago.
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  Get cancer and die. Now.
- mistermann 6y ago
  I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the subject from many different angles. It's interesting how much we (and here I mean everyone, of all cultures and skin tones) kind of take for granted that we "know". For example, everyone kind of thinks they "know" about MLK and Malcolm X, but how much do they "know", really? And how much (what percentage of the entirety of the big picture) did these two legendary men themselves "know", really. And then what about other extremely substantial (but not widely legendary) people like James Baldwin and Maya Angelou (who doesn't even get a mention on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_rights_leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_rights_leaders)? How many others are out there that I should make the time to read some of their ideas (like a list of civil rights activists, sorted by descending "importance" (relative to today) of ideas)? And for each, how to best educate myself? And this is leaving aside all of the other important thinkers from other domains who aren't directly associated with the civil rights movement, but whose ideas very much are relevant to the issue? And here again, same problem: who to educate myself on, in what order, and how? To me, racism seems like an extremely complicated problem. It also seems to me that most people consider it to be rather simple. Speaking of complexity and education, I wonder if we could dig a bit deeper into this: >> Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day, or is it more of a constant sense of not belonging, like being an outsider of some kind? > Is this observable mistreatment that people are receiving every day > Yes. To my way of thinking, this style of thinking is way too imprecise, if one's goal is to truly understand the situation. I have a sense that this next question is very difficult to receive without taking offense (due to its heartlessly statistical nature), but hopefully by noting that first it will minimize that problem, at least enough to judge it worthy of a serious reply. In your estimation, what percentage of people of color receive observable [1] mistreatment every day? Or perhaps a simpler way of putting it is: of all POC, what percentage receive at least one observable mistreatment, per day? (And then it would also be interesting to roll these daily statistics up to an average per year and observe changes over time, as well as break it out into different dimensions and categories, etc.) Due to the complexity of humanity, there are an infinite number of different ways to consider any given problem. Racism is but one problem of many (albeit it an especially important one), and the above is but one perspective from which to consider it. I make no assertion about the relative importance of this perspective, but I strongly assert that it has importance in an absolute sense. [1] By observable mistreatment, I mean that a diverse group of third parties would be able to recognize the event (perhaps after having the nuance pointed out to them first), and reasonably agree that it plausibly qualifies as mistreatment.

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