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The difficulty of all that stuff on plain old Linux is overstated and the difficulty of doing that on K8s is understated. And I agree with grandfathers point th

The difficulty of all that stuff on plain old Linux is overstated and the difficulty of doing that on K8s is understated. And I agree with grandfathers point that if you don’t understand how to do that on plain old Linux you will struggle on K8s. K8s is ok for huge enterprises with tons of engineers but somehow K8s advocates make it seem like learning and operating nginx on ubuntu is this huge challenge when it’s usually not.

rumanator 6y ago
Your comment makes no sense at all. Kubernetes is not equivalent to running nginx on Ubuntu. This comparison is simply too absurd to the point I really doubt you have any idea of what Kubernetes is designed to do and why people use it. I mean, who in their right mind would even describe a cluster of VMs and/or COTS hardware running with a VPN and designed to automatically run and manage the lifecycle of containers as well as the computational resources they consume as... Operating nginx on Ubuntu? If you don't have anything to add to the discussion and your only relationship with the topic is that you are completely unfamiliar and are intimidated by what you don't know then please refrain from increasing the signal-to-noise ratio of the discussion.
- anang 6y ago
  I think the point is more that the complexity of a cluster of VMs that manage the lifecycle of containers is often overkill for a service that would work with nginx installed on Ubuntu, and that often times the former is sold as reducing complexity and the latter as increasing it.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  rumanator: the mistake is yours. Please read the parent post again, since you missed any nuance. I agree with said parent. You can go a long way with ASGs, iptables and yum install - literally the entire first decade of your startup. In larger companies, just the politics introduced with managing k8s by another dept. is mind-numbing.
  - rumanator 6y ago
    No, the assertion that nginx on ubuntu is equivalent to kubernetes os mind-numbingly wrong, for starters for being entirely and completely oblivious to containers. The comparison isn't even wrong: it simply makes no sense at all. And no, being able to run software is not equivalent to Kubernetes. It's not even in the same ballpark of the discussion. You are entirely free to go full Amish on your pet projects but let's not pretend that managing a pet server brings any operational advantage over, say, just being able to seamlessly deploy N versions of your app with out-of-the-box support for blue/green deployments and with the help of a fully versioned system that allows to undo and resume operating with a past configuration. You don't do that by flaunting iptables and yum, do you? If anyone needs to operate a cluster then they need tooling to manage and operate a cluster. Your iptables script isn't it.
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      > No, the assertion that nginx on ubuntu is equivalent to kubernetes os mind-numbingly wrong Read the actual post, instead of projecting your nonsense.

rumanator 6y ago

Your comment makes no sense at all. Kubernetes is not equivalent to running nginx on Ubuntu. This comparison is simply too absurd to the point I really doubt you have any idea of what Kubernetes is designed to do and why people use it. I mean, who in their right mind would even describe a cluster of VMs and/or COTS hardware running with a VPN and designed to automatically run and manage the lifecycle of containers as well as the computational resources they consume as... Operating nginx on Ubuntu? If you don't have anything to add to the discussion and your only relationship with the topic is that you are completely unfamiliar and are intimidated by what you don't know then please refrain from increasing the signal-to-noise ratio of the discussion.

anang 6y ago
I think the point is more that the complexity of a cluster of VMs that manage the lifecycle of containers is often overkill for a service that would work with nginx installed on Ubuntu, and that often times the former is sold as reducing complexity and the latter as increasing it.
redis_mlc 6y ago
rumanator: the mistake is yours. Please read the parent post again, since you missed any nuance. I agree with said parent. You can go a long way with ASGs, iptables and yum install - literally the entire first decade of your startup. In larger companies, just the politics introduced with managing k8s by another dept. is mind-numbing.
- rumanator 6y ago
  No, the assertion that nginx on ubuntu is equivalent to kubernetes os mind-numbingly wrong, for starters for being entirely and completely oblivious to containers. The comparison isn't even wrong: it simply makes no sense at all. And no, being able to run software is not equivalent to Kubernetes. It's not even in the same ballpark of the discussion. You are entirely free to go full Amish on your pet projects but let's not pretend that managing a pet server brings any operational advantage over, say, just being able to seamlessly deploy N versions of your app with out-of-the-box support for blue/green deployments and with the help of a fully versioned system that allows to undo and resume operating with a past configuration. You don't do that by flaunting iptables and yum, do you? If anyone needs to operate a cluster then they need tooling to manage and operate a cluster. Your iptables script isn't it.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    > No, the assertion that nginx on ubuntu is equivalent to kubernetes os mind-numbingly wrong Read the actual post, instead of projecting your nonsense.