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The problem with this is that a policeman with a billy club who beats you because you're recording him doesn't care about your rights and not get fired. So be c

The problem with this is that a policeman with a billy club who beats you because you're recording him doesn't care about your rights and not get fired. So be careful out there

wahern 6y ago
I wonder, are there any apps that upload video in real-time?
- bzb4 6y ago
  Periscope?
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  Facebook Live
  - wahern 6y ago
    I guess I should have been more clear: real-time but not live or automatically published. If it's automatically published then many people may be reticent to begin recording. For example, maybe you don't want the fact that your friend or family member is being arrested to immediately become public knowledge or otherwise shared, embarrassing video and all.[1][2] If in the end there's no police misconduct, the whole incident can remain relatively private. Yet if it turns out you're recording misconduct then it would be important that the footage be uploaded in real-time in case the cop (or anybody else) destroys your phone. FWIW, I abstain from Facebook, Twitter, and social media in general. Apologies if Facebook Live or any other suggestion does support this. [1] I'm white but grew up in home environments where the police were called many times, sometimes hauling someone away kicking and screaming. (Typical unintended consequence of alcohol abuse and otherwise bad life decisions, albeit all too common life decisions in poor America.) You have to be sensitive to such situations, especially in the modern electronic era where it's extremely difficult to escape past mistakes. [2] The arrest could have been mistaken, in which case you definitely don't want a video of it getting out unless there was actual police misconduct or possibly even if there was police misconduct.
- randomdude402 6y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/gtnpcv/ysk_that_the_aclu_has_apps_for_recording_police/ https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/gtnpcv/ysk_t...
- rasz 6y ago
  sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjipYKbOOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjipYKbOOU
- Nicksil 6y ago
  I have not personally used this, but have it bookmarked from previous discussions. Might be worth a look: https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct?redirect=feature/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po...
- getpost 6y ago
  https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po...
im3w1l-alt 6y ago
Does getting beat for recording actually happen though?
- grecy 6y ago
  It sure did to this Australian news crew live on air a few days ago https://youtu.be/wkf-znzWKRc?t=18 https://youtu.be/wkf-znzWKRc?t=18 also https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/06/04/journalists-targeted-while-covering-protests-279-press-freedom-violations-and-counting https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/06/04/jour...
- mey 6y ago
  https://www.nlg.org/police-targeting-nlg-legal-observers-at-black-lives-matter-protests/ https://www.nlg.org/police-targeting-nlg-legal-observers-at-... https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/police-are-attacking-journalists-at-protests-were-suing/ https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/police-are-attacking-j... Some sources Edit: https://pressfreedomtracker.us/ https://pressfreedomtracker.us/ 2nd Edit: Quick note about Press Freedom Tracker, since they verify reports, their stats page may be a bit misleading. See https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1270054490293616645 https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/127005449029361664...
- guerrilla 6y ago
  Have you missed the 383+ or so cases of police attacking press this week? stats [1] vids [2] [1]. https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1270054490293616645?s=20 https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/127005449029361664... [2]. https://twitter.com/apodoxus/status/1267336229097439239 https://twitter.com/apodoxus/status/1267336229097439239
- craftinator 6y ago
  In Portland OR over the weekend, I witnessed this first hand. It wasn't even random people, it was press, with press badges. Beaten with a riot stick, and maced, multiple times. After he was beaten and maced he started limping away, the officer raised the mace, then hit him in the back a couple of times till the reporter turned around, then maced him full in the face. You can see the first hand and CCTV footage on Cory Elia's Twitter account, @TheRealCoryElia. He's also a news journalism professor at Portland Public University I believe.
baybal2 6y ago
> The problem with this is that a policeman with a billy club who beats you because you're recording him doesn't care about your rights and not get fired. So be careful out there I had this discussion with many Americans: "What makes a constitutionally protected right to bear arms work, without a constitutionally protected right to use them?"
- didgeoridoo 6y ago
  Believe it or not, in most states you do indeed have the right to self-defense against the police.[0] If the police are acting with excessive force, likely to cause great physical harm, you are within your rights to choose to fight back (notwithstanding the fact that this will probably get you killed). This principle was a big part of Randy Weaver’s successful defense after the Ruby Ridge stand-off. [0]: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/resisting-arrest-when-police-use-excessive-force.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/resisting-arrest-whe...
Fjolsvith 6y ago
Will this be any better once the policemen are replaced with brownshirts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

The problem with this is that a policeman with a billy club who beats you because you're recording him doesn't care about your rights and not get fired. So be careful out there

wahern 6y ago

I wonder, are there any apps that upload video in real-time?

bzb4 6y ago
Periscope?
colejohnson66 6y ago
Facebook Live
- wahern 6y ago
  I guess I should have been more clear: real-time but not live or automatically published. If it's automatically published then many people may be reticent to begin recording. For example, maybe you don't want the fact that your friend or family member is being arrested to immediately become public knowledge or otherwise shared, embarrassing video and all.[1][2] If in the end there's no police misconduct, the whole incident can remain relatively private. Yet if it turns out you're recording misconduct then it would be important that the footage be uploaded in real-time in case the cop (or anybody else) destroys your phone. FWIW, I abstain from Facebook, Twitter, and social media in general. Apologies if Facebook Live or any other suggestion does support this. [1] I'm white but grew up in home environments where the police were called many times, sometimes hauling someone away kicking and screaming. (Typical unintended consequence of alcohol abuse and otherwise bad life decisions, albeit all too common life decisions in poor America.) You have to be sensitive to such situations, especially in the modern electronic era where it's extremely difficult to escape past mistakes. [2] The arrest could have been mistaken, in which case you definitely don't want a video of it getting out unless there was actual police misconduct or possibly even if there was police misconduct.
randomdude402 6y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/gtnpcv/ysk_that_the_aclu_has_apps_for_recording_police/ https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/gtnpcv/ysk_t...
rasz 6y ago
sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjipYKbOOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjipYKbOOU
Nicksil 6y ago
I have not personally used this, but have it bookmarked from previous discussions. Might be worth a look: https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct?redirect=feature/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po...
getpost 6y ago
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po...

im3w1l-alt 6y ago

Does getting beat for recording actually happen though?

grecy 6y ago
It sure did to this Australian news crew live on air a few days ago https://youtu.be/wkf-znzWKRc?t=18 https://youtu.be/wkf-znzWKRc?t=18 also https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/06/04/journalists-targeted-while-covering-protests-279-press-freedom-violations-and-counting https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/06/04/jour...
mey 6y ago
https://www.nlg.org/police-targeting-nlg-legal-observers-at-black-lives-matter-protests/ https://www.nlg.org/police-targeting-nlg-legal-observers-at-... https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/police-are-attacking-journalists-at-protests-were-suing/ https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/police-are-attacking-j... Some sources Edit: https://pressfreedomtracker.us/ https://pressfreedomtracker.us/ 2nd Edit: Quick note about Press Freedom Tracker, since they verify reports, their stats page may be a bit misleading. See https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1270054490293616645 https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/127005449029361664...
guerrilla 6y ago
Have you missed the 383+ or so cases of police attacking press this week? stats [1] vids [2] [1]. https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1270054490293616645?s=20 https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/127005449029361664... [2]. https://twitter.com/apodoxus/status/1267336229097439239 https://twitter.com/apodoxus/status/1267336229097439239
craftinator 6y ago
In Portland OR over the weekend, I witnessed this first hand. It wasn't even random people, it was press, with press badges. Beaten with a riot stick, and maced, multiple times. After he was beaten and maced he started limping away, the officer raised the mace, then hit him in the back a couple of times till the reporter turned around, then maced him full in the face. You can see the first hand and CCTV footage on Cory Elia's Twitter account, @TheRealCoryElia. He's also a news journalism professor at Portland Public University I believe.

baybal2 6y ago

> The problem with this is that a policeman with a billy club who beats you because you're recording him doesn't care about your rights and not get fired. So be careful out there I had this discussion with many Americans: "What makes a constitutionally protected right to bear arms work, without a constitutionally protected right to use them?"

didgeoridoo 6y ago
Believe it or not, in most states you do indeed have the right to self-defense against the police.[0] If the police are acting with excessive force, likely to cause great physical harm, you are within your rights to choose to fight back (notwithstanding the fact that this will probably get you killed). This principle was a big part of Randy Weaver’s successful defense after the Ruby Ridge stand-off. [0]: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/resisting-arrest-when-police-use-excessive-force.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/resisting-arrest-whe...

Fjolsvith 6y ago

Will this be any better once the policemen are replaced with brownshirts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung