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> Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot. The rioters I have seen shooting a

> Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot. The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck.

mindslight 6y ago
> I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot How does this aphorism not apply to the police? When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd, they are choosing to riot. If their goal was to prevent crime, they would deploy small units into the protest crowd to catch troublemakers directly. > The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck Agreed for those specific people. But the vast majority that get arrested have done no such thing. Rather they started off peacefully protesting, and were then attacked by the police for exercising that right. If the arrestees were all that violent to begin with, there is no way they would have become so concentrated for so many to get arrested.
- downerending 6y ago
  > When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day.
  - mindslight 6y ago
    >> When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd > As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day. There are plenty of videos and stories of police firing and marching on peaceful crowds during this round of protests, if you care to look. I don't know what your intent is with writing off five decades of protests, but bluntly ignoring this is counterproductive to any hope of mutual understanding.
    - downerending 6y ago
      I'll bite. When's the most recent incident of two or more police officers firing on peaceful crowds with live ammunition meant to kill, using handguns, rifles, or shotguns?
      - mindslight 6y ago
        Adding qualifications to rule out current events is weaseling. Cops are shooting crowds with rubber bullets, gas canisters, and pepper balls, resulting in maiming and death. A non-cop doing the same thing would be on the hook for second degree murder. Aside from the shooting I did also say marching, which is another way cops purposely escalate the situation and then claim they were just doing their job.

mindslight 6y ago

> I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot How does this aphorism not apply to the police? When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd, they are choosing to riot. If their goal was to prevent crime, they would deploy small units into the protest crowd to catch troublemakers directly. > The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck Agreed for those specific people. But the vast majority that get arrested have done no such thing. Rather they started off peacefully protesting, and were then attacked by the police for exercising that right. If the arrestees were all that violent to begin with, there is no way they would have become so concentrated for so many to get arrested.

downerending 6y ago
> When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day.
- mindslight 6y ago
  >> When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd > As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day. There are plenty of videos and stories of police firing and marching on peaceful crowds during this round of protests, if you care to look. I don't know what your intent is with writing off five decades of protests, but bluntly ignoring this is counterproductive to any hope of mutual understanding.
  - downerending 6y ago
    I'll bite. When's the most recent incident of two or more police officers firing on peaceful crowds with live ammunition meant to kill, using handguns, rifles, or shotguns?
    - mindslight 6y ago
      Adding qualifications to rule out current events is weaseling. Cops are shooting crowds with rubber bullets, gas canisters, and pepper balls, resulting in maiming and death. A non-cop doing the same thing would be on the hook for second degree murder. Aside from the shooting I did also say marching, which is another way cops purposely escalate the situation and then claim they were just doing their job.