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I didn't have to at all, correct. But like you said, one doesn't have to wipe the box or redirect everything to goatse, however if you give many people the abil

I didn't have to at all, correct. But like you said, one doesn't have to wipe the box or redirect everything to goatse, however if you give many people the ability, there will be 10% who will do it. In perspective, me posting on the Twitter account (which was easily remedied, and like I said control was willingly relinquished) wasn't much of a bad thing.

nbpoole 16y ago
On a relative scale? Yes, wiping the system is much worse. On an absolute scale? They're both still bad: the lesser of two evils is still an evil. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
- ElliotSpeck 16y ago
  I never claimed what I did was a good thing.
  - nbpoole 16y ago
    Well, in your original post you said: "I don't consider what I did to be a bad thing." So if you don't consider your actions to be bad or good, that means you think they're neutral? ;-)
    - ElliotSpeck 16y ago
      No. I 'think' what I did was a relatively good thing. I never claimed it was, nor would I use that sort of thing as a defence. Everything that I have a say in is under control of phpFog now, and no data was lost. Anything further is completely out of my hands, I can only do so much.
      - morrow 16y ago
        I think we're in danger here of arguing in circles, but let me just say that I think the mindset of "I could've done so much worse, but I showed restraint, therefore It's (relatively) okay" is very troubling to hear (and I know it's not just you that thinks this way). If you broke into a home, and only broke a few lamps and changed the locks on the doors, and then tell the homeowner "no hard feelings, I mean I could've burnt the place to the ground", you sound like a mad-man -- but because this is virtual, the impacts of your actions aren't so immediate or easy to feel, but they're still there (downtime leads to loss of consumer confidence, leads to loss of sales, leads to loss of jobs and livelihoods, and on and on). However, it doesn't mean there aren't real, financial, consequences to the actions. I realize everyone makes mistakes, especially as teens, but I just wanted to voice my opinion that this mindset people seem to have where because they didn't {burn the server to the ground}, they shouldn't feel bad is both naive and dangerous, and if I were you, I'd do my best to drop it, learn your lesson, and move on. Best of luck.

nbpoole 16y ago

On a relative scale? Yes, wiping the system is much worse. On an absolute scale? They're both still bad: the lesser of two evils is still an evil. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

ElliotSpeck 16y ago
I never claimed what I did was a good thing.
- nbpoole 16y ago
  Well, in your original post you said: "I don't consider what I did to be a bad thing." So if you don't consider your actions to be bad or good, that means you think they're neutral? ;-)
  - ElliotSpeck 16y ago
    No. I 'think' what I did was a relatively good thing. I never claimed it was, nor would I use that sort of thing as a defence. Everything that I have a say in is under control of phpFog now, and no data was lost. Anything further is completely out of my hands, I can only do so much.
    - morrow 16y ago
      I think we're in danger here of arguing in circles, but let me just say that I think the mindset of "I could've done so much worse, but I showed restraint, therefore It's (relatively) okay" is very troubling to hear (and I know it's not just you that thinks this way). If you broke into a home, and only broke a few lamps and changed the locks on the doors, and then tell the homeowner "no hard feelings, I mean I could've burnt the place to the ground", you sound like a mad-man -- but because this is virtual, the impacts of your actions aren't so immediate or easy to feel, but they're still there (downtime leads to loss of consumer confidence, leads to loss of sales, leads to loss of jobs and livelihoods, and on and on). However, it doesn't mean there aren't real, financial, consequences to the actions. I realize everyone makes mistakes, especially as teens, but I just wanted to voice my opinion that this mindset people seem to have where because they didn't {burn the server to the ground}, they shouldn't feel bad is both naive and dangerous, and if I were you, I'd do my best to drop it, learn your lesson, and move on. Best of luck.